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DrJones*
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Message 886 of 5796 (848194)
02-01-2019 4:07 PM
Reply to: Message 885 by Faith
02-01-2019 4:00 PM


Re: Senate Resolution to Condemn Trump on Foreign Policy
And the "lying" you all impute to him is just not being careful about what he says.
lets go with one of the most obvious lies, one he told right to the faces of service members:
Speaking to troops at Al Asad Air Base during his surprise visit to Iraq, Trump told troops: "You protect us. We are always going to protect you. And you just saw that, 'cause you just got one of the biggest pay raises you've ever received. ... You haven't gotten one in more than 10 years. More than 10 years. And we got you a big one. I got you a big one. I got you a big one."
LIE: service members have received raises every year since 1983.
They had plenty of people that came up, they said, 'You know, we could make it smaller. We could make it 3%, we could make it 2%, we could make it 4%,'" Trump told the troops about the latest pay raise. "I said, 'No. Make it 10%. Make it more than 10%.
LIE: the pay increase for 2019 was 2.6%
how is getting basics facts wrong simply "not being careful about what he says". He claimed he got the troops a greater than 10% raise the actual amount is much less than that, he signed the bill authorizing the 2.6% increase how did he not notice that 2.6% is less than 10%?
Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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Faith 
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Message 887 of 5796 (848196)
02-01-2019 4:13 PM
Reply to: Message 886 by DrJones*
02-01-2019 4:07 PM


Re: Senate Resolution to Condemn Trump on Foreign Policy
He's not careful about such facts, and that in itself is a big failing, but it's not lying. He doesn't pay close attention to particulars. He should, but he doesn't. It's not lying although I agree it's a big fault of his.

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PaulK
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Message 888 of 5796 (848197)
02-01-2019 4:14 PM
Reply to: Message 885 by Faith
02-01-2019 4:00 PM


Re: Senate Resolution to Condemn Trump on Foreign Policy
quote:
And the "lying" you all impute to him is just not being careful about what he says.
By which you mean not caring whether something he says is true or not ? I think that is really the point.
quote:
...he's getting the information from somewhere and just doesn't check it out.
Or flat out making it up,
quote:
I found lots on the charm of the narcissistic personalty, don't know why you missed it.
There is a difference between missing something and finding sources which don’t list it. If you are going to argue that the charm is essential you need more than a lot of sources listing it, especially as with most of these things a 100% match isn’t needed.
quote:
I don't see it.
That is hardly surprising.
I think that the shamelessness is pretty obvious.
Magical thinking - how exactly was he going to get the Mexican government to pay for his Wall ?
Arrogance. Trump regularly “disses” people on Twitter, often with little justification.
Envy - well remember all the fuss about the Inauguration Day crowds and how annoyed he was when it was pointed out that Obama’s inauguration saw bigger crowds.
Entitlement - plenty of people say that Trump is “awkward” to deal with.
Exploitation - remember how upset he got about Sessions recusing himself from overseeing the Mueller enquiry ? Complaining that Sessions should be defending him ? When that isn’t the Attorney General’s job ?
Bad boundaries. Remember the phone call with the President of Mexico when Trump urged the Mexican President to stop saying that Mexico wouldn’t pay for the Wall ? Because it was bad for Trump ? And when it would be politically suicidal for any Mexican politician to let people think that he might approve payments for Trump’s Wall ?

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AZPaul3
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Message 889 of 5796 (848198)
02-01-2019 4:16 PM
Reply to: Message 881 by Faith
02-01-2019 3:05 PM


Re: Senate Resolution to Condemn Trump on Foreign Policy
But such charm always gives way easily to hatred of those you are buttering up when they fail to appreciate it as you would like them to, but when they do appreciate it and think you really like them then they are treated to a lot of faultfinding. Or in this case sheer hatred for my political opinions.
Oh, M'lady. I will try harder to not upset your gentle constitution vis-a-vis any personal feelings.
But, Love, your politics, religion, philosophy, world view are not just different from mine or different from the majority but are evil and down right dangerous to our species as a whole.
And I suppose I'm saying THIS now because I don't want to sound like I hate YOU, I just want you to stop.
I will do my best. But I am who I am so I may not always succeed. Forgive me.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Faith 
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Message 890 of 5796 (848199)
02-01-2019 4:18 PM
Reply to: Message 880 by Theodoric
02-01-2019 3:04 PM


Re: Jobs Americans won't do
Self awareness is not one of your strong suits I see.
Perhaps you are right. In which case you need to explain what you mean.

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DrJones*
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Message 891 of 5796 (848200)
02-01-2019 4:24 PM
Reply to: Message 887 by Faith
02-01-2019 4:13 PM


Re: Senate Resolution to Condemn Trump on Foreign Policy
He's not careful about such facts, and that in itself is a big failing, but it's not lying.
he's not lying? He claimed to their faces that he got them a greater than 10% pay raise when in fact it was much less. I can chalk up his lie about how long it's been since they got a raise to his general stupidity, but the actual amount is something he claimed to have had a personal hand in.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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Faith 
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Message 892 of 5796 (848202)
02-01-2019 4:25 PM
Reply to: Message 889 by AZPaul3
02-01-2019 4:16 PM


Re: Senate Resolution to Condemn Trump on Foreign Policy
But, Love, your politics, religion, philosophy, world view are not just different from mine or different from the majority but are evil and down right dangerous to our species as a whole.
Just say it straight and hate me honestly as everybody else here does, and leave off the "M'Love" crap. I feel very much the same about YOUR politics, philosophy and worldview, that they are sheer evil and dangerous to everything good in this world. Positively toxic and lethal in fact. Totalitarian, anti-American and fundamentally inhumane. Now, your use of the word "love" is cynicism itself.
Oh gosh, you would actually say it's just the way you are? That's crap, AZ, cut it out.
Oh and my views are pretty consistent with the millions who voted for Trump, not different from THAT majority.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Faith 
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Message 893 of 5796 (848203)
02-01-2019 4:29 PM
Reply to: Message 891 by DrJones*
02-01-2019 4:24 PM


Re: Senate Resolution to Condemn Trump on Foreign Policy
That kind of discrepancy can't be a lie, it's too blatant.

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DrJones*
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Message 894 of 5796 (848206)
02-01-2019 4:45 PM
Reply to: Message 893 by Faith
02-01-2019 4:29 PM


Re: Senate Resolution to Condemn Trump on Foreign Policy
That kind of discrepancy can't be a lie, it's too blatant
nobody has said that he's a good liar. One of the reasons why there's so many articles about his lies is that they're easy to spot.What makes you think that he cares about how blatant his lies are?
Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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DrJones*
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Message 895 of 5796 (848207)
02-01-2019 4:53 PM
Reply to: Message 892 by Faith
02-01-2019 4:25 PM


Re: Senate Resolution to Condemn Trump on Foreign Policy
Oh and my views are pretty consistent with the millions who voted for Trump, not different from THAT majority.
he lost the popular vote by 3 million, not a majority.

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JonF
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Message 896 of 5796 (848208)
02-01-2019 4:55 PM
Reply to: Message 881 by Faith
02-01-2019 3:05 PM


Re: Senate Resolution to Condemn Trump on Foreign Policy
but I do recall that contrary to your idea that Trump is a narcissist, a main characteristic of narcissistic personality is charm.
Nope.
Narcissistic Personality Disorder Characteristics:
  • Lack of empathy
  • Exaggerated sense of self-importance.
  • Feelings of entitlement.
  • Selfishness in relationships.
  • Enviousness and suspicion of other people's motivations
  • A need for excessive praise and attention.
  • Insistence on associating only with other special people
  • Preoccupied by fantasies of great achievements, power, or recognition
  • Feelings of inferiority, insecurity, and low self-esteem, and an extreme need for the approval of others
That's Trump to a T.

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JonF
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Message 897 of 5796 (848209)
02-01-2019 4:58 PM
Reply to: Message 885 by Faith
02-01-2019 4:00 PM


Re: Senate Resolution to Condemn Trump on Foreign Policy
he's getting the information from somewhere and just doesn't check it out.
The voices in his head.
Either he's constantly lying or he has no connection with reality. I believe the latter.

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JonF
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Message 898 of 5796 (848210)
02-01-2019 4:59 PM
Reply to: Message 887 by Faith
02-01-2019 4:13 PM


Re: Senate Resolution to Condemn Trump on Foreign Policy
Maybe, but it shows inability to deal with reality.

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Faith 
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Message 899 of 5796 (848211)
02-01-2019 4:59 PM
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02-01-2019 4:53 PM


Re: Senate Resolution to Condemn Trump on Foreign Policy
Aside from the fact that I really don't believe that, it doesn't matter either to what I'm saying or to your claim about the election.
The reason we have the Electoral College is that the popular vote is a false representation of the nature of the country. The densely populated areas all vote as one anyway, so you can count that three million and much more as one urban-centered Leftist vote.
And it has nothing to do with what I was saying anyway. AZ treated my opinion as far from the majority, but in fact it represents most of those who voted for Trump.

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JonF
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Message 900 of 5796 (848212)
02-01-2019 5:02 PM
Reply to: Message 893 by Faith
02-01-2019 4:29 PM


Re: Senate Resolution to Condemn Trump on Foreign Policy
That kind of discrepancy can't be a lie, it's too blatant.
Incredibly blatant lies are often the most effective.
But it interesting to see you arguing how incapable Trump is.

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