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Message 448 of 887 (848000)
01-30-2019 1:10 PM


As far as this "backstop" deal on Ireland goes what is the EU position, what is the British position, what are the reasonable options available, please?

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Message 454 of 887 (848008)
01-30-2019 2:12 PM
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01-30-2019 1:37 PM


The British government's current position is that we should solve this problem by... er... look! A blimp! /me runs away
Hmmm ... tricky.
Thank you, caffeine.
So what happens (in detail) if there is a no-deal hard Brexit?
Do British goods stop flowing into the EU and vice-versa? Are all services contracts then null and void? Do I need my passport to fly from London to Paris? Close the Chunnel? Blockade Amsterdam? Stop all traffic at the Irish border? Shoot down the blimp?

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Message 456 of 887 (848033)
01-30-2019 7:55 PM
Reply to: Message 455 by Diomedes
01-30-2019 2:19 PM


But the UK would now have to revert to WTO rules regarding trade.
That's gonna hurt. But, ok, it's only money, right? Like hundreds of billions of quatloos or whatever it is you use over there.
What was that?
Pounds?
As in getting pounded all to hell and back.
You know that's gonna hurt bad.
Which would mean tariffs would come into play.
Both way, of course. Yeah, that's gonna hurt.
The UK would likely need to start renegotiating any trade deals with non-EU nations as well as re-evaluate existing EU specific deals.
I'm sure the lawyers would love it. Think of all the litigation that's going to bloom from this.
Do I need my passport to fly from London to Paris?
Yes.
Well, I guess I didn't want to go anyway. The EU and Brit counterparts to our customs (and border patrol) are going to have to expand and probably not quickly enough to forestall some disruptions like backing up ports of entry several countries deep.
Yeah, that'll hurt.
Close the Chunnel?
No, but there would now need to be border checks.
Some new construction, significant delays until they all get their act together. I understand the Chunnel is a happening place. Can it be closed for a couple years?
If the UK does do a hard Brexit, my suspicion is there will be a surge in imports of some good ganja in order to soften the blow.
I always wanted to visit London. I'll be right there.
Stop all traffic at the Irish border?
Technically, that would occur. But that would violate the Good Friday agreement. Hence the quagmire. (Buggers Muddle)
Yes. I remember.
No matter how this turns out the Irish people, all of them, are going to be pissed, aren't they.
That's gonna hurt.
Shoot down the blimp?
If someone can get a clear shot at Boris, that may happen.
Could it be that simple? Find the Kirwood Derby, put it on Her Majesty's Royal Head, add a strong brownian motion producer ... undignified for Her Majesty ... forget the whole thing.

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Message 466 of 887 (848117)
01-31-2019 3:05 PM


And to think this whole mess is because there are just too many brown-skinned people looking for a decent/safe life free of oppression both political and economic.
Poor Europe has to suffer being the beacon of freedom and opportunity to the Arabs just like the USA is to the Latinos of Central/South America.
Welcome to the world we made in our image.

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Message 472 of 887 (848178)
02-01-2019 1:04 PM
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01-31-2019 3:57 PM


Re: Another Referendum
but the UK won't agree to that because it allows Britain to stop it without coming up with a solution acceptable to the rest of Europe.
Is there any thought to maybe the EU, unhappy as they may be, might find it advantageous to work with Her Majesty’s government to smooth over an official Brexit, knowing full well Britain actually isn’t going anywhere economically and in a few election cycles they’ll be back officially as well?

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Message 476 of 887 (848185)
02-01-2019 2:24 PM
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02-01-2019 1:52 PM


Re: Another Referendum
Who knows if the EU will even still be here by then?
Why should anyone think The EU, or whatever its evolved form may call itself, won't continue to thrive within such a strong economic zone?
But, I was thinking more short term.
Just for jollies, let's say the Brits hold another referendum and Remain-Like-Nothing-Happened-We-Don't-Wanna-Go-We're-Sorry wins the day.
Discount the gloom and doom revolt and rebel crowd, which can cause damage but can be overcome.
What's Europe going to do ... say, "No"?

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Message 478 of 887 (848219)
02-01-2019 5:47 PM
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02-01-2019 4:25 PM


Re: Another Referendum
Good. Then why don't you all go do that ...
I know, I know ... racism and the fears that go with it. Specifically economic fears. The drain on resources, pressure on jobs and job values. Yeah, ok, cultural differences that outside the extremes are, well, just different.
I know. We have the same thing here ... on steroids.
Makes things difficult to get to where some of us would like to see society evolve.

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Message 480 of 887 (848245)
02-01-2019 9:41 PM
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01-31-2019 9:05 AM


And if a hard Brexit becomes inevitable, the Queen procures the sword, gives it to the Duke of York, and then he shows up in Parliament and threatens to go all Braveheart on their assess if they don't resolve Brexit once and for all.
Now seeing that might be worth the controversy.

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Message 493 of 887 (849011)
02-20-2019 11:56 PM


If you haven't seen it this is hilarious, and scary.

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Message 511 of 887 (849704)
03-18-2019 4:29 PM


This has gone wrong too many times and, as has been observed in this thread, "clusterfuck" and "bugger's muddle" are rather mild insults for what has taken place.
The Crown does have a purpose other than cutting ribbons for new stores and roads. Like her predecessors during the wars, the greatest service Her Majesty could render is to get out front on this thing helping to find solutions that would soothe a bewildered, confused, and pissed-off public.
In that regard I would advise Her Majesty to take the following actions:
1. Dismiss Theresa Mary May as PM.
2. Dissolve Parliament.
3. Call for new elections to be held in 60-90 days.
4. Add a referendum to the election that reads:
Shall the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland LEAVE the European Union or shall the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland STAY within the European Union?
The two choices on the punch cards, pull levers, check boxes, whatever, should be labeled "LEAVE" and "STAY".
5. Behead somebody ... anybody ...
6. Order the return of nipples to page 3.
The political institutions in the society are FUBAR* and the Crown has an opportunity to perform the greatest service of her reign to her people.
*Fucked up beyond all recognition

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Message 513 of 887 (849706)
03-18-2019 4:49 PM
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03-18-2019 4:44 PM


It was an ill-advised referendum that made the mess in the first place.
So true. But since Parliament appears unwilling, unable, to fix it this may be the only way to resolution.

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Message 516 of 887 (849710)
03-18-2019 5:47 PM
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03-18-2019 4:53 PM


If it did then after the experiences of the last year or so at least they will know what they're in for. I don't think the majority of those who voted last time understood the full implications. It was a lark. An emotional protest vote that seemed exhilarating yet harmless. Like more than few thrump voters.
Cept' now a lot of those voters along with the rest of the whole world know it's not going to be so harmless. A lot of damage has already been done and not just to the combined economies of both sides, but to the unleashing of an emboldened radical right. Repercussions are still to be felt.
Come on Queenie. You know it can be done. Even if it costs you your family's throne in the long run. There is no greater love ...
That may take awhile though. You would be a national hero more idolized than you have ever known. You would be an international super hero. But, Charles? It may end there.

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Message 517 of 887 (849712)
03-18-2019 6:06 PM
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03-18-2019 5:33 PM


Many are likely fed up with the whole mess in the Eurozone and all it takes is one detractor and the extension is denied.
Since all nations in the EU must agree you are right, it would take just one.
But I'm thinking this is welcome to the EU. Just the political break the world needs while the Brit's get their shit back together. Hell ... Tell'm to take the next 5 years. If they haven't figured it out by then, well, nuke the fuckin island.
Not exactly in the spirit of meaningful changes. But for politics, that may be sufficient.
Now that's funny. Gotta admit this whole thing is an amazing spectacle to watch.
Go Queen! Go Queen! Go Queen!

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Message 519 of 887 (849714)
03-18-2019 7:05 PM
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03-18-2019 6:11 PM


(unless he can figure out a way to weasel out of running).
Oh please! Yes! Please, please, please, please, pleASE!
Prosecutors everywhere are going to have a lot of fun with this guy!

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Message 526 of 887 (849773)
03-20-2019 8:47 PM


You do realize how much April advertising now needs revision.

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