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Percy
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Message 959 of 5796 (848322)
02-03-2019 1:17 PM
Reply to: Message 943 by Faith
02-03-2019 1:40 AM


Re: voter fraud
Faith writes:
It's frustrating that someone doesn't go after this stuff and prove it so no, I can't prove it.
14174dm asked you to provide evidence, he didn't ask you to prove it. Obviously you have no evidence.
But there were many precincts across the country, including in my own state, where somehow ballots kept magically appearing well after the polls were closed, even truckloads of them, that turned a Republican victory into a Democratic victory.
First, nothing turned "a Republican victory into a Democratic victory." In case you didn't hear, a Republican won the presidency.
Second, there is no evidence of ballots magically appearing after the polls were closed.
Third, Trump's voter fraud commission, which he disbanded in January of last year, presented no evidence of voter fraud.
These ballots were accepted as valid despite passed deadlines...
This makes no sense no matter how you interpret it. If by "ballots were accepted" you mean people voting after the polls were closed, there's no evidence of polls being kept open past deadlines. But if by "ballots were accepted" you mean counting the ballots, the deadlines to count ballots are lengthy, usually at least a week, because sometimes elections can be very close and require recounts.
What was it you were actually trying to say?
...and all sorts of other red flags,...
What other red flags?
...and miracle of miracles, they ALL overturned a Republican victory established at poll closing time,...
This has two problems. First, ballots aren't tabulated instantaneously, so except in cases of substantial margins no one's victory can be "established at poll closing time."
Second, what Republican victory are you talking about that was overturned? Neither you nor 14174dm mention any specific race, so what are you talking about? In the post 14174dm replied to you were talking about the electoral college, and Trump won the electoral college.
...by whatever necessary thousands of votes were needed to make the Leftist the winner in the end.
You still haven't said what "Leftist" you're talking about. Are you referring to the fact that Nevada went into the Democratic column?
I think there were one or two cases where they weren't able to come up with enough fake Democrat ballots...
Please tell us what "fake Democrat ballots" you're talking about. Evidence please.
...even with all these shenanigans so the Republican remained the winner by a tiny margin.
Please tell us what shenanigans you're talking about. Evidence please.
Sure looks like voter fraud to me,...
What looks like voter fraud? What evidence could you possibly be looking it since you've described no evidence.
...but of course you will want something more solid and won't even admit that it's awfully suspicious.
Well of course we want something more than stuff you or somebody from your right-wing echo chamber made up.
And I can't prove the many rumors of illegal aliens voting either. That many dead people voted for Democrats in other elections, and many people voted more than once at different precincts, are often mentioned too, and I don't know why this stuff isn't prosecuted.
The reason none of this stuff is prosecuted is because none of it happened. None of the rumors the right-wing made up panned out. Illegal aliens didn't vote, dead people didn't vote, and people didn't vote more than once.
You don't need to bother "proving" me wrong, it will all be bogus statistics anyway if in fact this sort of voter fraud did occur.
We can't prove you wrong. All we can do is point to the complete failure to find any instances of significant voter fraud. Even Trump's commission couldn't find any.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 961 of 5796 (848324)
02-03-2019 1:23 PM
Reply to: Message 945 by Faith
02-03-2019 5:02 AM


Re: voter fraud
Faith writes:
Leftist propaganda.
If you think it's leftist propaganda that no evidence of meaningful voter fraud has been uncovered, all you have to do to prove it is provide the evidence. But you can't do that, can you.
It's also not leftist propaganda that Trump started a commission to prove that he had not lost the popular vote, nor that it is just another instance of his neediness.
It's also not leftist propaganda that none of the right-wing rumors panned out.
It's also not leftist propaganda that you reject evidence, not to mention never provide any evidence for any of your outlandish claims.
--Percy
Edited by Percy, : Grammar.

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Percy
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Message 964 of 5796 (848328)
02-03-2019 1:42 PM
Reply to: Message 953 by AZPaul3
02-03-2019 9:31 AM


Re: The Deal to Reopen the Government is Still a Bad One for America
AZPaul3 writes:
The river is already a physical barrier.
But, you know, those little brown people can swim. Even the kids.
This portion of the wall needs to be more of a moat type thing ... with piranhas, backstopped by high barbed-wire fencing and gun towers. Maybe some land mines.
And I bet they have boats, too!
For Faith's sake I'll just to repeat what I said in an earlier post. The reason there's so little wall along the Rio Grande is because it is already a physical barrier where the Border Patrol uses boats and roads alongside the river. If there are places where the experts think they need walls or fences then that's fine. Just blindly building 240 miles of wall somewhere along the Rio Grande will be an access, economic and ecological disaster. The Rio Grande is probably somewhere around 1000 miles long in Texas, so Trump is proposing destroying 25%.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 966 of 5796 (848331)
02-03-2019 2:18 PM
Reply to: Message 960 by Faith
02-03-2019 1:22 PM


Re: Senate Resolution to Condemn Trump on Foreign Policy
Faith writes:
The map changes with every election so I'm not sure what you think you are proving. Most of the red could be blue in a particular election.
Huh? I described exactly what I was using the map to show. In the 2016 election it was mostly the rural states that went for Trump. It makes the point that in area the vast majority of the country is rural. I even said exactly this immediately after the electoral map image: "In area probably over 90% of American territory is rural and small towns,..." How can you say, "I'm not sure what you think you are proving"? I'm proving the rather obvious: that a great deal of America is very empty.
Just for comparison so you can understand the point better, here are the population densities of several areas of the country:
PlacePopulation Density
people per square mile
Montana7
Nevada26
California246
Waterbury, CT3,800
Manhattan67,000
The rural and small town regions of America face very different economic challenges than urban and suburban areas, which was the further point I made.
Social liberalism is the core of Leftist/Marxist politics, the economic stuff of your fiscal conservatism isn't very relevant.
The people on the left in Congress and in state legislatures are no more Marxist than those on the right are fascists. I asked you once before and I'll ask you again, please name any Marxists in Congress or in state legislatures. We're talking about thousands of people, so surely you can find at least a couple.
Yes the Tea Party was originally concerned with economics but I for one and many others took it as a broad representation of our political interests.
No, I didn't say that "the Tea Party was originally concerned with economics," and I think it is inaccurate to say that. I think it gives a false impression of the forces behind the Tea Party's formation, which rose out of frustration experienced in rural and small town regions at not just lack of inclusion in the economic growth and improvements in opportunity of the rest of the country, but also at the perceived threats to their values and way of life. The Tea Party that emerged was an attempt to counter these perceived threats.
Abortion is murder.
Abortion is not murder, and taking away a woman's right to control her own body is fascism.
Enough.
You always lie that your through, then you're back again in no time.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 967 of 5796 (848332)
02-03-2019 2:32 PM
Reply to: Message 965 by Faith
02-03-2019 1:50 PM


Re: The Deal to Reopen the Government is Still a Bad One for America
Faith writes:
I don't care about any particular segment of the border, Rio Grande or whatnot,...
It's obvious that you don't care about access, economics or ecology. That's why you're so uninformed.
...the point is to use the kind of barrier that works where it is needed...
I have said the exact same thing many times.
...and there are plenty of places according to the Border Patrol where a wall is needed...
Please show us the Border Patrol saying where and why a wall is needed along the Rio Grande.
...and maybe some of that includes sections of the Rio Grande.
You never looked at the link to the map, did you. Please look at it now: USA Today's US/Mexico border map. Too white for you? Then you'll just have to take my word that the US/Mexico border is almost completely walled or fenced over its entire length, except for the Rio Grande, which by itself already represents a physical border. The only place where 240 miles of wall could possibly be built is along the Rio Grande. That it would be built along the Rio Grande is why a group of Republican Congressmen are visiting the border in Texas rather than in New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada or California.
So any new wall would be built along the Rio Grande. Please explain why a wall is needed in addition to a river.
Stop trying to second guess all this. You don't know what's needed where.
But I'm willing to listen. Please explain why a wall is needed in addition to a river.
--Percy
Edited by Percy, : Typo, grammar.

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Percy
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Message 969 of 5796 (848336)
02-03-2019 3:25 PM
Reply to: Message 963 by Faith
02-03-2019 1:42 PM


Re: voter fraud
Faith writes:
I know about the different categories of ballots.
No you don't. You proved you have no idea when you said, "But there were many precincts across the country, including in my own state, where somehow ballots kept magically appearing well after the polls were closed, even truckloads of them,..."
As I explained in Message 959, though it isn't clear what you mean there is no interpretation one can make whereby you're raising some reasonable complaint.
But they are supposed to be subject to deadlines after which late comers are to be discarded.
What late comers? You mean people late to the polls? Their votes can't be discarded because they never got to vote. Other than people late to the polls there are no deadlines for ballots to be delivered to counting centers. Usually at least a week is set aside for counting ballots.
They are supposed to be subjected to an immediate count before the vote tally is made,...
Well, sure. It makes sense that the count begin as soon after the polls close as possible, and naturally the count must conclude before there can be a tally. Since numbers come in by precinct, winners can often be projected long before the final tally.
...and that count must be the count they end up with,...
Why do you say this? Sometimes there's a recount, usually because an election is close. When the election is very, very close then they might do a manual recount.
But many such counts were not made within the deadline...
Ah, so you are talking about the counting deadline. Broward county missed the Florida Senate race recount deadline, completely unrelated to the presidential election. Which precincts can you name that missed the counting deadline in the presidential election, or any other race you're concerned about?
...and that made it possible for bogus ballots to be added to the total when they shouldn't have been.
Again, which precincts missed the deadline, and given that the ballots are guarded and under lock and key, how do you propose bogus ballots would be added, and once you tell us how they did it, then tell us where this actually happened and how you know. Otherwise we know you're just making things up again.
But the main source of suspicion is the fact that so many Republicans were clearly the winners before other ballots showed up making Democrats the winners. ALL Rep to Dem.
There were some close races, but in all statewide elections the arrival of precinct results are spread out over time. Are there any particular races you have in mind?
If you address that in your long post I'm going to miss it unless you quote it for me.
Ah, the truth comes out. You don't read long posts. No wonder you keep repeating the same mistakes.
Yes, go ahead and lambast me again, and again and again. Not interested.
If you don't like being lambasted then say things that are true.
--Percy
Edited by Percy, : Fix poor phrasing.

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Percy
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Message 994 of 5796 (848403)
02-04-2019 12:10 PM
Reply to: Message 972 by Faith
02-03-2019 8:15 PM


Re: voter fraud
Faith writes:
It is so frustrating to try to deal with someone like you who can't follow a logical sequence so is always blaming me for your own stupidity.
If you have nothing constructive to say, if you're responding without even reading what was written to you (as has become obvious to both me and dwise1), if you're going to simply declare your contorted justifications correct while never explaining how they make any sense, then it would be better if you stopped posting here. It has been clear for some time that you have nothing to offer but gratuitous insults, baseless accusations, gullibility and ignorance.
So what late comers were you referring to? What deadlines were you talking about? Which races did you have in mind? What did you mean when you said votes would be discarded?
Then there are other things you've ignored. What was the Border Patrol's explanation for why they need a wall in addition to the Rio Grande? Do you understand the difference between a Marxist and a Democrat on the one hand, and a fascist and a Republican on the other?
--Percy

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Message 995 of 5796 (848405)
02-04-2019 12:13 PM
Reply to: Message 973 by Faith
02-03-2019 8:17 PM


Re: voter fraud
Faith writes:
Wasn't I clear? I didn't read your post.
How can you know DWise1 didn't understand your point if you didn't read his post?
There are too many of you heaping posts that are too long on me and end up saying nothing anyway.
If you didn't read them, how do you know they didn't make effective points.
Sorry, I don't even try anymore.
This has been obvious for quite some time.
--Percy

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Message 996 of 5796 (848406)
02-04-2019 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 977 by Faith
02-03-2019 8:49 PM


Re: voter fraud
Faith writes:
As long as I get my opinion in once in a while all the names you guys call me day in and day out, hour in and hour out, fade to incoherent chatter.
If you're not here for discussion but only to use EvC Forum as a soapbox then please stop posting here.
--Percy

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Message 1003 of 5796 (848424)
02-05-2019 10:27 AM
Reply to: Message 998 by Faith
02-05-2019 5:15 AM


Re: Your "facts" about Trump's "racism" are the usual innuendo
You're replying to a message from 500 messages ago? Are you planning to reply to all the other messages you've ignored from me, around 70 altogether in this thread alone.
Trump is a racist and a white supremacist, as demonstrated by his words and actions over many years.
Faith writes:
And there are other facts supporting Trump's racism going back decades, such as his efforts to avoid renting his apartments to blacks,
You give no evidence or context so as usual I doubt it is racist, and as with the above and rest of what you say here, I expect to turn out to be right. It will be the usual unsupported assumption.
Of course I provided no evidence in that post - I had already presented it in an earlier post that you ignored. Why should I present the evidence yet again. I'm not going to do your homework and track that post down for you. You were the one who ignored it, you find it.
...his advocacy of the death penalty for the black and Latino Central Park Five (who turned out to be innocent),
It is YOU who are racist by assuming their race was the reason he called for the death penalty. There is no reason to assume that.
If race wasn't the reason, name a case where Trump took out a full page ad in multiple newspapers decrying the criminal element where the perpetrators were white. The Mafia is white, so where was Trump when there were Mafia murders? Son of Sam was white, so where was Trump then?
Even after the Central Park Five were found innocent and the actual perpetrator established through DNA evidence, Trump continued to attack the Central Park Five.
his reference to Mexican immigrants as criminals and rapists,
Nonsense. He's many times corrected that idiotic Leftist twisting. His meaning was that there are criminals and rapists among them, and there are. There were 600 convicted criminals identified in the caravan that ended up in Tijuana.
Some Trump quotes about Mexicans:
quote:
When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best...They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.
...
Sadly, the overwhelming amount of violent crime in our major cities is committed by blacks and hispanics - a tough subject - must be discussed.
...
When will the U.S. stop sending $'s to our enemies, i.e. Mexico and others.
...
The Mexican legal system is corrupt, as is much of Mexico. Pay me the money that is owed me now - and stop sending criminals over our border
...
The border is wide open for cartels & terrorists. Secure our border now. Build a massive wall & deduct the costs from Mexican foreign aid!
I hope you didn't miss the swipe at blacks and Hispanics committing most of the crimes.
accusing Haitian immigrants as all having AIDS,
Obviously he had information that there is a lot of AIDS among the Haitians. ALL? Of course not. But Leftists insist on mishearing him when he speaks in hyperbole. A bunch of race baiters the lot of you.
While Haiti has the highest HIV rate in the Caribbean, it is only 2%.
his criticism of a Hispanic judge who ruled against him,
Oh that of COURSE must be because the judge was Hispanic. Can you people think at all, ever?
We know Trump criticized the judge for being Hispanic because that's what Trump said, that Judge Gonzalo Curiel, an American of Mexican descent, was biased while presiding over a Trump University lawsuit because he had “an absolute conflict” because he was “of Mexican heritage” and a member of a Latino lawyers’ association. Judge Curiel was born in Indiana.
his Muslim travel ban,
Because of the REALISTIC DANGER of jihadis among them. Duh.
This is just fear mongering driven by racial prejudice. There's no evidence of this danger, just as there's no evidence of a crisis on our southern border, other than the humanitarian crisis Trump has created himself.
his "Obama not born in America" campaign,
There is plenty of reason to think Obama was born in Kenya, especially his grandmother who "accidentally" said so.
Obama's birth certificate is from Hawaii.
Schwarzenegger was born in Germany, is saying so racist?
What a strange question. Your thinking is unfathomable on this one.
his criticisms and neglection of Puerto Rico after its devastation by Hurricane Maria,
More typical innuendo, all made up by the race baiting left.
Trump excused his administration's poor disaster response by blaming Puerto Rico officials who criticized the response, and by the excuse that Puerto Rico was an island.
is endorsement of Roy Moore for Senator from Alabama,
Roy Moore is a solid conservative constitutionalist.
Roy Moore is a racist, a white nationalist, anti-LGBT, and when younger a sexual predator.
and his use of the term Pocahontas as a term of disparagement.
Oh how silly. You probably don't know the scripture that condemns the kind of people who "make a person a criminal over a word."
Scripture doesn't justify racism.
You ARE a social Leftist...
I am a social liberal who believes the government should strive to make the lives of the people who elected it better.
...so nothing I say is going to change your mind.
It is true that nothing you could say would dissuade me from having compassion for my fellow man regardless of race, religion, or country of origin.
Not a shred of decency on the Left, not a shred of benefit of the doubt and the doubt here is huge because there is no evidence except the racism in the mind of the accuser. It's all race baiting and character assassination based on NOTHING. Innendo, period.
Said the racist product of white privilege.
I came back from Inactive to comment on this. Bye again, I hope forever.
Us too, but you always come back.
--Percy
Edited by Percy, : Grammar.

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Percy
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Message 1010 of 5796 (848436)
02-05-2019 11:51 AM
Reply to: Message 1006 by Faith
02-05-2019 11:43 AM


Re: Your "facts" about Trump's "racism" are the usual innuendo
Faith writes:
Oh golly gosh. Austria not Germany. Wow what a huge error I made. Wowsa. Gosh you should be commended for your concern for perfection in communication.
It isn't that you said something wrong. It's the amazingness of how almost everything you say is wrong. You'd think that just by sheer luck you'd get something right more often, but no. For example, this is you from Message 998:
Faith in Message 998 writes:
Bye again, I hope forever.
Wrong again.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 1012 of 5796 (848439)
02-05-2019 12:26 PM


Trump is Hardly Working
Axios has released Trump's Daily Schedule Since Mid-Terms, yielding a detailed picture of Trump's work habits:
  • 60% of his time is spent in unstructured "Executive Time."
  • Although the schedules place Trump in the Oval Office from 8-11 AM, six sources with direct knowledge say he is never in the Oval Office during those hours.
  • Trump's first meeting of the day is usually around 11 or 11:30 AM, usually an intelligence briefing or a meeting with his chief of staff.
  • Some days are dominated by "Executive Time."
--Percy

  
Percy
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Message 1016 of 5796 (848454)
02-05-2019 4:50 PM
Reply to: Message 1014 by PaulK
02-05-2019 1:48 PM


Re: More on Texas “non-citizens”
But none of us think non-citizens should vote, right? At least not at the federal level*. Sticking with the example of Harris County, if they've established that 60% of the original list are now naturalized citizens, doesn't that mean that 40% (12,000 people) are not? Or does it just mean they don't know yet? 12,000 is a lot of people in a county, especially if that's the number of non-citizens registered to vote, though it's probably in the neighborhood of only 0.5% of total registered voters - population of Harris County is around 4.7 million.
But regardless of the particulars, Republicans seem to have an especial eagerness for kicking people off the voter rolls. I bet a poll tax is next, and old Supreme Court rulings be damned - after all, the Supreme Court has a conservative majority now that should help keep any non-lily whites in their place. I'm so glad I'm lily white. Sure, my great grandparents emigrated to the US from territory that used to be communist, but I'm white and that's all that counts, right?
--Percy
*I think a strong argument can be made that regardless of citizenship anyone should be able to vote in the state and local elections where they live. But making two categories of voters, federal on the one hand and everything else on the other, might be tough to keep track of on election day.

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Message 1018 of 5796 (848459)
02-05-2019 5:25 PM
Reply to: Message 1008 by Faith
02-05-2019 11:48 AM


Re: Your "facts" about Trump's "racism" are the usual innuendo
Faith writes:
Trump is not a racist or a white supremacist. That's slander.
Only if it were false would it be slander. Let me say it again. Trump is a racist and a white supremacist. He called Nazis and white supremacists very fine people. Get a clue.
Obama's Hawaii birth certificate is a blatant forgery.
And you know this how? Why am I not expecting a response, you factless inactive person you.? Do you understand that being inactive gains you very little? People can't see your email or your profile or your aliases, and you no longer appear in the member list, but people can still see and reply to all your messages, and everyone conversing with you now is already intimately familiar with you - toggling between inactive and active status while in the middle of an active discussion gains you nothing. You're just making things more difficult for yourself.
And his grandmother explicitly said he was born in Kenya.
There was an obvious translation problem. As the conversation continued she made clear that she thought Obama was born in the US. And there's still the birth certificate.
It's interesting that even more than two years after the election that Trump still needs the bogeyman and bogeywoman of Obama and Clinton. The reason Trump tears everyone down, including those serving in his own administration and party, is it's the only way he can build himself up. He has no achievements of his own, so he has no choice but to belittle everyone else and their achievements. What a tiny person is Trump. The entire world, including 2/3 of the US, can't wait for his administration to end.
So what happened to your intentions to never return. Returning in just 10 minutes must be a new record for you.
--Percy

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Message 1023 of 5796 (848471)
02-06-2019 9:35 AM


El Paso Needs a Wall
It is difficult to find details of the Texas border with Mexico, which is demarcated along its entire length by the Rio Grande. A river is a physical barrier, no wall required, but a river that dries up is not. So does the Rio Grande dry up?
Yes, the Rio Grande does dry up, but Internet articles say it only dries up in New Mexico during the hottest months. But El Paso along the Rio Grande in far western Texas butts right up against New Mexico and borders the Mexican city of Ciudad Juarez. Does the Rio Grande dry up in El Paso? Yes, it does. Unfortunately I can't embed this video, but just watch the first 20 seconds of this video from KLTV to see how the Rio Grande completely dries up in this western region of Texas: Climate change drying up Rio Grande, experts say.
Here's a great view of how little remains of the Rio Grande during the hotter parts of the year in and near El Paso. This image is from the New York Times article In a Warming West, the Rio Grande Is Drying Up:
Obviously a wall or fence is needed here, because the river is too diminished, even absent in places, to serve as a barrier. The same concerns about providing access to the river for both people and wildlife remain.
But further south and east the Rio Grande is much more substantial and serves as a barrier all by itself, no wall needed.
--Percy
Edited by Percy, : Grammar.

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