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candle2
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Message 1582 of 1748 (848062)
01-31-2019 10:25 AM
Reply to: Message 1577 by Phat
09-29-2018 12:18 PM


Re: Yetzer Hara
Christians accept both the OT and NT as being God inspired. The Jews accept the OT only. Muslims accept much of the OT, but the Quran is their holy book.
Both Jews and Muslims claim to worship the God of the OT. But, do they?
When we compare both Testaments, we soon learn that Jesus (who existed from eternity as the Word or Logos) was the God of both Testaments.
Jesus was the member of the God Family who created everything, including the angels. Nothing existed before He created it. Which is why (as our Creator) His blood, and His blood only, could atone for our sins.
He was the member of the God Family Who rode in the cloud as the Israelites left Egypt.
He, Himself, wrote the 10 Commandments on the tablets of stone.
He was the great "I AM," who appeared to Moses in the burning bush.
From a Christian perspective, it is quite contradictory for Jews and Muslims to claim that they worship the God of the OT when they despise Him.

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Message 1622 of 1748 (848315)
02-03-2019 11:11 AM
Reply to: Message 1591 by Tangle
02-01-2019 8:42 AM


Re: Where does scripture say God sacrificed himself (HIMSELF)?
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
This verse is so well written that a 7 year old, near the end of the 2nd grade, should u/s it w/o any difficulty.
Before anything else existed a Being known as the Word was with God (Theos). And the Word was also God (Theos).
In Genesis God (Elohim) said "let there be light." God (Elohim) also said "let us make man in our own image, after our likeness."
Both Elohim and Theos are plural in form but single in grammatical usage. They are words similar to: group or committee. One group but many members; one committee but many members; one God but, at the present time, two persons
John 1:14
and the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us as Jesus.
The Apostle Thomas u/s, and u/s clearly, that Jesus was both Lord and God. John 20:28.
Jesus is also the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. Rev. 18,11 ; 21:6 ; 22:13.
Jesus u/s that His Father is greater than He Himself is, but Jesus is still a member of the God family.
When the two God Beings decided that they wanted a family (a family that they can share the universe with) the status between them changed, not in their love for each other, but in the image they project
The vast majority of pastors; priests; Muslims; etc... are convinced that Satan and his demons will live forever in hell (gehenna), but I don't believe this.
Their reasoning is that spirit beings cannot die. But, cannot God kill that which is undesireable?
If Jesus' powerful mind could be reduced to that of a mere child, couldn't the same God destroy His enemies?

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Message 1633 of 1748 (848350)
02-03-2019 6:48 PM
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02-01-2019 8:42 AM


Re: Where does scripture say God sacrificed himself (HIMSELF)?
God is omnipotent. God knew that Adam would sin. Before the world was created Jesus knew that He would have to redeem Hans from the death penalty.
The wages of sin is death, and sin is the transgression of God's laws.
Of course God knew that Adam would disobey Him. But in God's ultimate plan this was necessary.
Before humans or animals were created Satan and the angels under him were placed on earth to put the finishing touches to it, like icing on a cake.
Remember that God is a Creator. One could say that creating is God's occupation. After humans are resurrected into the God family, they will also create.
Along the way Satan (who is the most powerful being that the Word could create by fiat) became vain and conceted. He too wanted to be worshiped.
Satan didn't stand a chance, but from the fact that he thought he could overthrow God we u/s that he is extremely powerful.
God could have destroyed Satan at that time, but God had a better plan.
Satan's way is the way of "get." It is self- centered and appeals to the vanity in each of us.
God's way is the way of "give." It is outgoing love and concern for others.
God explained to Adam that He (God) only knew the way to true happiness, but He also knew that Adam would have to experience the differences the two ways.
God is not out to save the world during this present age. He is allowing all of us to experience the way of "get" ant the depravity that comes with it.
Satan is still the ruler of this world, during this present age. He and his way is the root cause of all human misery.
But, his time is running short. Christ will soon return to establish His Kingdom on earth. Everyone who God called out down through the ages will the be resurrected and rule with Him. Each will fill a position in His government.
Every human who has ever lived will be resurrected (in the 2nd resurrection and told that they deserve the death penalty, but that Christ Himself has paid that price for us.
Each will then be taught the wats of God. They will also have access to His Holy Spirit and it's power to transform their lives.
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Message 1645 of 1748 (848420)
02-05-2019 9:19 AM
Reply to: Message 1625 by AZPaul3
02-03-2019 2:54 PM


Re: Where does scripture say God sacrificed himself (HIMSELF)?
I don't know how long the earth and universe has been in existence and neither do you. If you claim to know then I want proof, or I can only assume that you are very gullible.
How in the world do people, such as evolutionist, accept the premise that life began by rain water leaching life from the rocks?
There has been no evidence of one kind of animal evolving into another kind of animal. The closest we come to tissue is "variation in a species."
I know
There is no evidence of an organism going beyond the variation programmed into it
I don't believe that there are actual full-fledged evolutionists. The concept is simply too absurd.
Everything that is OBSERVED supports creation.

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Message 1671 of 1748 (848567)
02-10-2019 8:51 AM
Reply to: Message 1647 by Tangle
02-05-2019 11:05 AM


Re: Where does scripture say God sacrificed himself (HIMSELF)?
"Life began by leaching life from rocks (pre-existing life) makes no sense. It doesn't address the origins of life. And evolution cannot account for such extreme diversity of species, nor can it explain complex symbiosis, irreducible complexity, or the incredible appearance of design.
All science disciplines have their origins in philosophy. Evolutionists are not able to separate themselves from philosophy.
Evolution is the pyrite of philosophy.
I haven't witnessed (nor have the fossils) life evolving over billions of years. No one has witnessed this. What we witness (observe) is kind producing kind.
This is observable science. It is replicated century after century. Anything contrary to our observations is pyrite.
You mention "mixing" over billions of years as though you"re describing a cooking recipe.
However, animals of different kinds do not mix
To say that they do requires a leap of faith. And faith is a religion. And according to many, religion has no place in science. It doesn't even belong in school textbooks.

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candle2
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Message 1673 of 1748 (848573)
02-10-2019 2:31 PM
Reply to: Message 1672 by Tangle
02-10-2019 9:04 AM


Re: Where does scripture say God sacrificed himself (HIMSELF)?
I intended to reply to Ringo, but was distracted when my son and grandkids came over. However, my reply applies to all evolutionists.
After all, evolutionists really do believe that the frog turned into a princess, even if it did take billions of years.

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