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Author Topic:   Why It Is Right To Do Good To Others
Theodoric
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Message 238 of 304 (848747)
02-14-2019 3:33 PM
Reply to: Message 235 by ringo
02-14-2019 3:09 PM


Re: Goodness
What makes an "ultimate good" good?
Must be like those "historical truths" I can not get an explanation about.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 239 of 304 (848748)
02-14-2019 3:37 PM
Reply to: Message 234 by GDR
02-14-2019 2:52 PM


Re: Goodness
In what way is this a refutation of Stile's argument?
One problem with your argument is that you are equivocating the word good. The goodness of which Stile is referring is not the same use of the word(though they are spelled the same) as the good you are using about Hitler.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 242 of 304 (848751)
02-14-2019 3:44 PM
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02-14-2019 2:52 PM


Re: Goodness
You are also making a strawman argument. What you are arguing against here has nothing to do with what Stile actually stated. By equivocating you argued against something that isn't even part of the discussion.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 247 of 304 (848756)
02-14-2019 3:59 PM
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02-14-2019 3:48 PM


Re: Goodness
See Ringo's reply. You are still equivocating and building a strawman.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 248 of 304 (848757)
02-14-2019 4:02 PM
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02-14-2019 3:57 PM


Re: Goodness
We don't give a flying fuck what certain societies have done. If you cannot understand the concept of goodness than you have more problems than I thought. I suppose you have trouble defining evil too.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 257 of 304 (848766)
02-14-2019 4:24 PM
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02-14-2019 4:16 PM


Re: Goodness
Frustration, because here you argue against your own argument. How does this definition of good fit in with hitler and Isis? I get frustrated with people using logical fallacies in their arguments. Now that you have decided to use the same "good" as Stile. Do you think you were making a strong argument?
Edited by Theodoric, : Word choice

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 262 of 304 (848774)
02-14-2019 5:33 PM
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02-14-2019 5:23 PM


Re: Goodness
The caveat to do no and allow no harm is implied. Surprised that that would need to be pointed out. I always find it odd how the radical Christian mind works.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 267 of 304 (848785)
02-14-2019 7:32 PM
Reply to: Message 266 by Tanypteryx
02-14-2019 6:33 PM


Re: Goodness
I specifically said "and not harming others", so why bring up cases of torturers who are clearly harming others?
Because he can only argue the point if he builds a strawman.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 268 of 304 (848787)
02-14-2019 7:34 PM
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02-14-2019 6:14 PM


Re: Goodness
Doing no harm is only a part of it but obviously included.
Then why has it had to be pointed out to you repeatedly?
ABE
Yes, to my mindest your arguments are radical Christianity.
Edited by Theodoric, : Addendum

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 298 of 304 (848960)
02-19-2019 2:54 PM
Reply to: Message 297 by Phat
02-19-2019 2:51 PM


Re: Goodness
If society simply waits for *evidence* of God, we will likely stand at the altar forever.
I have no idea what that even means. Do you think that statement actually means something?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 303 of 304 (849003)
02-20-2019 3:07 PM
Reply to: Message 302 by ringo
02-20-2019 2:13 PM


Re: Goodness
Reminds me of my friend the ghosthunter. He presented me with his "evidence" for ghosts; EVPs, orbs in photos and videos and I asked him how he as sure they weren't leprechauns. He seriously said I was being ridiculous because leprechauns don't exist. I told him his evidence was evidence they do. We aren't very good friends anymore.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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