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Author Topic:   Why It Is Right To Do Good To Others
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Message 264 of 304 (848776)
02-14-2019 6:13 PM
Reply to: Message 234 by GDR
02-14-2019 2:52 PM


Re: Goodness
If we are simply here as a result of an endless progression of mindless processes; a collection of mindless particles that have mindlessly come together to form intelligent creatures then there is no ultimate good or evil. It is simply what we think at the time. Hitler thought that it would be good if we could eradicate Jews. The 9/11 terrorists thought that it would be good to do what they did. Who are you to say they were wrong.
You mean “us” collectively, yes?
If so then know there are multiple human organizations from churches to governments, legislatures to colleges, all trying to define what “good” means down in the nitty-gritty details. Consensus come and consensus go. One of the stronger mass opinions is that the Hitler thing and 9/11 were far from anything close to “good”.
On a more individual level “good” is more of a “do onto others . ” kind of thing.
But we are apes blossomed up from this planet where life was always brutal, bloody, then spiteful and mercilessly violent.
What is good? We’re working on it.
If there is an ultimate good then that ultimate good is something that exists outside of our perceived existence.
Fine. When it gets here, we’ll discuss it. But right now we have some major problems related to just what “good” means for our species today and there doesn’t seem to be anything “from outside” helping our situation.
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Message 270 of 304 (848793)
02-15-2019 7:18 AM
Reply to: Message 266 by Tanypteryx
02-14-2019 6:33 PM


Re: Goodness
I don't understand what chemical processes have to do with the golden rule.
Maybe because if these bags of mindless chemical processes we call people derived the golden rule that sorta takes the divinity out of the thing?
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Message 276 of 304 (848807)
02-15-2019 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 274 by Tangle
02-15-2019 10:23 AM


And in any case we now know where 'good' comes from, it's routed in the emotion of empathy - a brain function like many others.
Someone is putting serotonin in our bags of mindless chemical processes.

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Message 282 of 304 (848818)
02-15-2019 9:12 PM
Reply to: Message 279 by GDR
02-15-2019 7:05 PM


Re: Goodness
Did goodness evolve from mindless processes, chemical or otherwise, or did it evolve through processes and laws that are the result of an external intelligence?
Ohh, ohh, me!, me!. I know!
The first one!
Do I get a cookie?

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Message 299 of 304 (848963)
02-19-2019 3:07 PM
Reply to: Message 298 by Theodoric
02-19-2019 2:54 PM


Re: Goodness
If society simply waits for *evidence* of God, we will likely stand at the altar forever.
I have no idea what that even means. Do you think that statement actually means something?
I guess it means that gay marriage is ok now.

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