Free will vs Omniscience

I don't, chiefly because I don't believe that He does nothing. Of course, you guys will demand I trot out evidence. That pesky E word! It runs your entire argument, even though I am arguing for a phenomenon without visible evidence. Which I suppose is an excuse for God not seeming to do anything! So here we are.

To go further, how would I know whether something was initiated,influenced, or completed by God or not? Which is why it is easier to keep discussing a hypothetical God...as we have done for years.This hypothetical God is easy for me to describe. My description often gets refuted by you, however. You are one of the few whom I know who both uses the Bible against the characteristics of the OT Yahweh and the NT Jesus...when it suits your argument....and yet hold my feet the fire within the book's pages when it challenges my arguments. Frankly, I think that we humans who choose to believe in God embarrass and limit ourselves by limiting our belief to the old stories. If God were alive and interactive with humanity today, God would, as Sam Harris asserts, use the internet and make videos. God would surely not limit His eternal message to a bunch of old stories.

Here you go Phat, I've just put $1m in your bank account, I've fixed that gambing problem, cured that funny eye and there's no need to diet anymore. Oh, and don't worry about those shop lifters, you won't see them again.What, you can see no evidence of any of that? Why are you asking me for evidence, don't you believe me?

You sure do. You're constantly telling us thst God wants us to learn things for ourselves. And yet you can't point to anything that He actually does.

The same way you'd know whether something was initiated, influenced or completed by anybody else. Maybe you should do like L. Ron Hubbard and not make a distinction between fiction and religion at all. So, His absence from the obvious effective communication media suggests that He is not alive and interactive with humanity today.

Perhaps He expects us to be His spokesmen.

There you go again, making excuses for God not doing anything - and contradicting your own statement that He "would" be using the Internet to communicate if He was alive today.

An atheist believes there is no Goo. To believe in something that cannot be proved requires faith.It requires more faith to be an atheist than it does to be a Christian.

You should really know what you are talking about. I do not believe there is no god. I have no belief there is a god. Atheism is not a belief it is the absence of a belief. How can I not believe in something that does not exist?
If atheism is a belief then not collecting stamps is a hobby. Her is another one I found.

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When you knock over an empty glass you don’t spill non-water all over the table. And you don’t then proceed to clean up the non-water using paper towels designed to remove non-water, non-juice, and non-soda. You just do nothing because there wasn’t anything in the glass.

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https://danielmiessler.com/blog/why-atheism-isnt-a-belief/ Agreed. That and delusion. [qs]It requires more faith to be an atheist than it does to be a Christian.[qs] This is a non sequitur. Your god cannot be proved how does this mean an atheist has more faith. You think faith is a term of derision?

I'm not trying to prove that God exists. Whether you believe in God or not has no bearing on me. However, I don't like to see people cut themselves off from the Creator.I don't have much from a monetary viewpoint, but I do have peace, joy, and contentment in my like.It still takes faith to not believe in God (an atheist). You seem to confuse an atheist with an agnostic.

You are wrong. No you just don't know the difference.
Agnosticism does not exist some where between theism and atheism. It is something altogether different. Don't feel bad most people confuse the concepts.
People can be any of the following things.
Gnostic Theist
Agnostic Theist
Agnostic Atheist
Gnostic Atheist.Let's tear the words apart you can see.
Theism - belief in a god or gods
Atheism - The a means without. Without belief in god or gods.
Gnostic - relating to knowledge of a god or gods
Agnostic - Does not have knowledge of a god or gods.Atheism has to do with lack of belief of a god, agnosticism has to do with lack of knowledge.

Realize this is the same twisted religious logic that keeps getting you lot such poor reception by thinking people.An atheist does not disbelieve in a Goo (as you so eloquently put it). We hold the concept with zero confidence pending evidence.There is a difference.I know you want to believe this about atheists because you think it puts the atheist on an equal "belief" footing with your fantasy. Since your belief in what atheists believe is also fantasy your premise falls along with your equal footing.

Atheism is the belief (faith) that there is no God.
Agnostics say that it is impossible to know that God exists.
Which are you?And, I would never put the faith of an atheist on equal footing with my faith in Jesus.Hebrews 11:1 "Now faith is the substance (hupodtasis--assurance) of things hoped for, the evidence (elegehos--proof) of things not seen.My deep faith is it's own proof.Liberal atheists/agnostics believe in baby killing and not having to work for what they get (stealing from others). They support grown men loving on each other. And, it won't be long before they start calling us "haters" for not supporting adult with child sex, and bestiality.Any poor ratings that I get from liberal atheists/agnostics is to me a badge of honor. I want to be less like them as possible.And, have a "goo" day.

No matter how many times you repeat it, you will not make that correct. You are wrong.
I am an agnostic atheist. I think that it is unknowable if there are gods, but I have no belief there is one. That would be a good idea, as an atheist does not have faith. We have evidence and logic. Which makes no sense linguistically and logically. Your faith makes you spread lies and spread hate? What a lovely person you must be. Screw you. As do a large percentage of Christians. Please show examples of people that support those things. Then confirm they are atheists. The only people I have seen lately that have been accused or convicted of those things are Christians. Good Christians like Roy Moore and a number of priests seem to have a predilection for children.Edited by Theodoric, : Toned down my outrage

Wrong. Atheist don't believe in gods. That's it. Nothing else.It's not a belief that we don't believe.You (probably) don't believe in elves. You don't have a belief that there are no elves do you? You just don't believe in them - it's an absence of *any* belief about elves.Do try to learn that so you don't keep repeating an error. Atheists do not have faith. So I guess you're safe there. I'm sure it is, just don't hope to impress anyone else with that argument. Some atheists support legal abortion, some don't. Just like Christians. Liar. I imagine most would - like many Christians - but I wouldn't know. If you do I'd like to see your evidence. If you carry on lying like that it's a certainty. I don't know what god you worship is but it's not one Jesus would recognise. That's an ambition achieved.