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JonF
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Message 1001 of 5796 (848421)
02-05-2019 9:26 AM
Reply to: Message 998 by Faith
02-05-2019 5:15 AM


Re: Your "facts" about Trump's "racism" are the usual innuendo
He spoke in two different contexts, one that there were fine people on both sides, and in that context he was talking about the people on both sides of the issue of pulling down or preserving the Confederate statues. He wasn't making a judgment about the people themselves, but the motivation on both sides of that issue. To turn that into a statement in favor of white supremacists is the usual Crazy Leftist twisting. Never a moment of benefit of the doubt ever. The idea that he would blatantly support white supremacy is in itself crazy. And eventually he stated quite clearly that he condemns all kinds of racism.
The other context was the clash between the two groups in which he said there was blame on both sides. The Leftists came at the other side violently, there was blame to go around. Again not a judgment of the character of the people, but of the actions on both sides.
One side were Naziis. The other side wasn't.
Oh that of COURSE must be because the judge was Hispanic. Can you people think at all, ever?.
He explicitly said it was because the judge is Hispanic.
quote:
On June 2, 2016, Trump told the Wall Street Journal that Curiel had "an absolute conflict" in presiding over the litigation given that he is "of Mexican heritage" and a member of a Latino lawyers’ association. (When Trump said in a separate interview that Curiel "is a member of a club or society, very strongly pro-Mexican" in referfence to the group, PolitiFact National rated his statement Mostly False.) Trump told the journal the judge’s background was relevant because of his campaign stance against illegal immigration and his pledge to seal the southern U.S. border. "I’m building a wall. It’s an inherent conflict of interest," Trump said.
There is plenty of reason to think Obama was born in Kenya, especially his grandmother who "accidentally" said so. Schwarzenegger was born in Germany, is saying so racist?
There is no evidence he was born in Kenya and plenty of evidence he was born in hawaii.
quote:
The edited portion that often makes the rounds on the Internet includes this part of the interview:
McRae: "Could I ask her about his actual birthplace? I would like to see his birthplace when I come to visit Kenya in December. Was she present when he was born in Kenya?"
"She says yes she was. She was present when Obama was born," said the translator.
Smoking gun? Only if you stop the tape there and don't listen to the rest of the interview.
McRae immediately followed up by saying, "Okay, when I come in December, I would like to go by the place, the hospital where he was born. Could you tell me where he was born? Was he born in Mombasa?"
The translator can be heard translating, and then, he said, "No. Obama was not born in Mombasa. He was born in America."
Said McRae: "Whereabouts was he born? I thought he was born in Kenya."
The response came back, "He was born in America, not in Mombasa."
"Do you know where he was born?" McRae continued. "I thought he was born in Kenya. I was gonna go by and see where he was born."
"Hawaii. She says he was born in Hawaii," the translator said. "In the state of Hawaii, where his father, his father was also learning there. The state of Hawaii."
"I thought she said she was present," McRae said. "Was she able to see him being born in Hawaii?''
"No, no," the translator said. "...She was not ... she was here in Kenya. Obama was born in America ... Because the grandmother was back in Kenya and Obama was born in America, where he is from, where his father was learning, learning in America, the United States."
Roy Moore is a solid conservative constitutionalist.
And a child molester.
Edited by Admin, : Fix dBCode for first quote.

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JonF
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Message 1011 of 5796 (848437)
02-05-2019 12:02 PM
Reply to: Message 1005 by Faith
02-05-2019 11:42 AM


Re: Your "facts" about Trump's "racism" are the usual innuendo
One side were Nazis. The other side wasn't.
He explicitly said it was because she's Hispanic...
In which case he was accusing her of a conflict of interest, not being racist
Accusing him (not her, can you get *any* facts straight) because he's Hispanic is the definition of racism.
Moore was a child molester. But apparently it's OK to molest children if you're a Republican.

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JonF
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Message 1013 of 5796 (848442)
02-05-2019 1:13 PM
Reply to: Message 1008 by Faith
02-05-2019 11:48 AM


Re: Your "facts" about Trump's "racism" are the usual innuendo
And his grandmother explicitly said he was born in Kenya
Which Barack Obama are you referring to?
There's two poss, one obviously wrong.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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JonF
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Message 1015 of 5796 (848448)
02-05-2019 4:00 PM


Proud Boys fee-fees hurt by SPLC
Gavin McInnes Sues Southern Poverty Law Center for Branding Proud Boys ”Hate Group'
The SPLC is probably popping champagne. There's no better way to expose the truth about these bastards than in open court under oath with a solid transcript and recordings.
But Faith will have some cuckoo fantasy about this being persecution of the sweetest saints ever.

  
JonF
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Message 1021 of 5796 (848463)
02-05-2019 6:44 PM


WV Raleigh County Deputy Director of Emergency Management wins Martin Luther King memorial trophy, 2018, It's OK If You're A Republican division:

  
JonF
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Message 1029 of 5796 (848487)
02-06-2019 6:43 PM
Reply to: Message 1028 by Percy
02-06-2019 5:45 PM


Re: House Intelligence Committee to Investigate Trump Finances and Russia
I wouldn't call the Steele dossier evidence for her collusion. Her campaign took over sponsorship of a legal and normal opposition research program and continued it. No collusion involved.
Of course in a courtroom it would not be "collusion", it would be "conspiracy" or something else. If the former the idea that it's incriminating becomes even sillier.

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JonF
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Message 1046 of 5796 (848964)
02-19-2019 3:43 PM
Reply to: Message 1045 by PaulK
02-19-2019 12:19 PM


Re: ...And North Carolina
And it's almost always a type that voter ID wouldn't prevent..

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JonF
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Message 1048 of 5796 (848980)
02-19-2019 9:24 PM
Reply to: Message 1047 by dwise1
02-19-2019 4:42 PM


Re: ...And North Carolina

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JonF
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Message 1071 of 5796 (850042)
03-29-2019 12:59 PM
Reply to: Message 1069 by Faith
03-29-2019 11:17 AM


Re: Answer to Diomedes on the Trump Bashing Thread.
"No evidence of collusion" is what Mueller said
A lot of news outlets got that wrong. According to Barr's letter, which is all we have, presenting a quote from the report:
quote:
“[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”
Lawyers are very careful in their choice of words. "Did not establish" does not mean "did not find evidence". It means the the evidence they found is insufficient to establish guilt beyond reasonable doubt in a court of law. It does not establish innocence.

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JonF
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Message 1072 of 5796 (850043)
03-29-2019 12:59 PM
Reply to: Message 1070 by DrJones*
03-29-2019 11:52 AM


Re: Answer to Diomedes on the Trump Bashing Thread.
He hasn't been found not guilty of any accusations.

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JonF
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Message 1075 of 5796 (850046)
03-29-2019 2:28 PM
Reply to: Message 1073 by Tangle
03-29-2019 1:10 PM


Seems acurate to me.

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JonF
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Message 1096 of 5796 (850121)
04-01-2019 1:09 PM
Reply to: Message 1089 by Faith
04-01-2019 10:51 AM


Re: More attacks on the nation
Of course there are plenty of details available on the other investigations and the evidence that inspired them. Your sources ignore them or lie about them. Trump investigations: beyond Mueller, the president faces other legal jeopardy - Vox has a good summary. More detail is easily available to anyone interested in reality. .
quote:
The hush money investigation. The probe focuses on hush money payments made on Donald Trump’s behalf before the 2016 election ” payments that prosecutors say violated campaign finance law. Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal.
The Trump inaugural committee investigations. Federal prosecutors are scrutinizing a host of matters related to the Trump inaugural committee’s finances. They are looking into potential corruption involving favors for donors, whether foreign funds were illegally given through “straw donors,” how the committee spent the money it took in, and how it accounted for that spending.
The Trump Foundation (New York AG): In June 2018, New York’s attorney general filed a civil lawsuit against the Donald J. Trump Foundation and its directors ” President Trump, Donald Trump Jr., Eric Trump, and Ivanka Trump ” alleging a “pattern of persistent illegal conduct, occurring over more than a decade.” The lawsuit claimed the Trumps inappropriately took advantage of the foundation’s tax-exempt status, using its resources to help Trump’s presidential campaign, to promote his business interests, and even to settle a lawsuit against Mar-a-Lago ” all with no real independent oversight. {E.g. buying expensive portraits of Trump that hang in his properties.}
New York state tax investigations: Meanwhile, the Department of Taxation and Finance in the Empire State has been looking into Trump on several fronts (separately from the state attorney general). First, the department opened an investigation into the Trump Foundation, the New York Times reported last year. This covers some of the same matters described above, but it could lead to a criminal referral, in contrast to the AG’s civil lawsuit.
Trump projects’ financing (New York AG): Michael Cohen testified to Congress in February that Trump’s company had a practice of inflating its assets to get more favorable loan terms. So on March 11, the New York state attorney general’s office subpoenaed two financial institutions that lent to the Trump Organization ” Deutsche Bank and Investors Bank.{This isn't a criminal investigation}.

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JonF
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Message 1102 of 5796 (850157)
04-02-2019 8:57 AM
Reply to: Message 1098 by Faith
04-01-2019 6:16 PM


Re: More attacks on the nation
They are mostly significant criminal acts. There is quite a lot of damning evidence for them.
But there obviously is no crime you won't excuse. Trump could rape an infant on the steps of the Capital and you would have the same reaction.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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JonF
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Message 1104 of 5796 (850171)
04-02-2019 1:31 PM
Reply to: Message 1103 by Faith
04-02-2019 1:09 PM


Re: More attacks on the nation
Trump is accused of significant crimes. The fact that you think there is no evidence demonstrates your abysmal ignorance. My messages had not to do with the Mueller investigation, but you can't figure it out. And I did give some evidence, which of course you ignored.
Let's look at his foundation. One of the major possible crimes that could be committed is "self dealing": using the tax-exempt foundation as a personal piggy bank.
"In January 2016 ” right before the Iowa caucus ” Trump threw a fundraiser for veterans instead of attending an upcoming primary debate. The Iowa fundraiser raised $5.6 million, with about $2.8 million going directly to the Trump Foundation. (The rest went to directly from donors to veterans’ groups and bypassed the foundation.)
But it was Trump campaign staff that directed the $2.8 million that went to the foundation. Emails and other evidence showed Lewandowski dictating the timing and amount of donations to various groups ahead of the Iowa caucus and at other points during the campaign, with the goal of promoting Trump and his candidacy"
"The Trump Foundation also mixed political and the foundation in September 2013 when it contributed $25,000 to a political group called “Justice for All” supporting the reelection of Florida’s attorney general, Pam Bondi.
The foundation said on its 2013 tax forms that it did not contribute to a political organization or campaign, according to the lawsuit"
"The lawsuit also alleges multiple instances where Trump used the foundation to pay off lawsuits or promote his businesses that were unrelated to his charity.
"Trump used his foundation to settle a 2006 lawsuit with the town of Palm Beach against Mar-a-Lago. He agreed to pay $100,000 to the Fisher House Foundation and personally instructed his staff to make the payment through his foundation. Here’s the note, which Trump himself signed"
"Among the transactions the lawsuit cited as illegal was a $10,000 payment to the Unicorn Children's Foundation for a portrait of Trump purchased at a fundraising auction in 2014. The portrait would end up decorating a wall at Trump's Doral golf resort near Miami, the Washington Post reported.
Another $100,000 went to another charity in 2007 to settle a legal dispute over a flagpole erected in violation of local ordinances at Mar-a-Lago, Trump's private club and sometime residence in Palm Beach, Florida."

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JonF
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Message 1105 of 5796 (850172)
04-02-2019 1:34 PM
Reply to: Message 1103 by Faith
04-02-2019 1:09 PM


Re: More attacks on the nation
And fo' lagniappe, bank fraud:
"Bloomberg’s Tim O’Brien and the New York Times’ David Enrich have recently produced well-researched, detailed articles about President Donald Trump’s relationship with Deutsche Bank. O’Brien and Enrich present numerous incidents going back twenty years of Trump “inflating his wealth” when trying to obtain approval for loans or securities underwriting. These incidents seriously call into question the quality of Deutsche Bank’s risk management enterprise-wide.
If it is proven that Trump knowingly exaggerated his net worth, then journalists need to start using the word ”lied.’ When anyone lies to a bank in order to receive credit or approval to underwrite a securities issue, this is called fraud. "

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