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ringo
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From: frozen wasteland
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Message 566 of 1184 (842646)
11-04-2018 1:06 PM
Reply to: Message 549 by ICANT
11-02-2018 4:50 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
ICANT writes:
Guns are tools. I classify an AR15 as a toy.
That's a silly distinction. An AR15 is a gun. If guns are tools, then an AR15 is a tool whether you have any use for one or not.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 574 of 1184 (842694)
11-05-2018 11:20 AM
Reply to: Message 567 by ICANT
11-05-2018 12:44 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
ICANT writes:
You have your opinion of what the AR15 is and I have my opinion.
It is not an opinion that an AR15 is a gun. It is a fact.
You said that guns are tools. Therefore an AR15 is a tool. That is logic.
ICANT writes:
I don't play with dangerous toys....
You have made it clear in this thread that a gun in your hands is dangerous.
ICANT writes:
But those that do have a constitutional right to do so.
Two hundred years ago, the constitution allowed you to own slaves. Decent people didn't do it just because they could get away with it.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 579 of 1184 (842700)
11-05-2018 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 577 by ICANT
11-05-2018 1:05 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
ICANT writes:
It is only dangerous to animals if I am hunting for them for meat.
It is only dangerous to humans if they are trying to harm or kill me or someone in my presence.
Unless the wespon is locked up and the ammunition is locked up separately, it is never safe. Thinking a weapon is "safe" is the first safety violation.
ICANT writes:
Sure they did and most of them were not in the political party of Lincoln.
Irrelevant. The point is that they did what they did because it was legal - with no consideration of whether it was morally right. That's your stated position on gun ownership.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 595 of 1184 (842752)
11-07-2018 11:03 AM
Reply to: Message 586 by ICANT
11-05-2018 10:35 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
ICANT writes:
That is your opinion and you are welcome to it.
It isn't an opinion. It's a fact, as evidenced by the statistics cited in this thread.
ICANT writes:
I believe I have a constitutional right to own and bear arms.
As I said, the constitutional right to bear arms doesn't give you the moral right to blow people's heads off - any more than the legal right to own slaves gave people the moral right.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 598 of 1184 (842784)
11-08-2018 10:50 AM
Reply to: Message 597 by NosyNed
11-08-2018 9:58 AM


Re: Facts and Statistics
Nosyned writes:
You can't tell ICANT that he is less safe with a gun in the house as a fact for him based on population statistics.
I don't mean to say that ICANT is less safe - though he probably is. I mean to say that everybody around him is less safe because of his careless attitude toward gun safety.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 618 of 1184 (843722)
11-20-2018 11:45 AM
Reply to: Message 616 by ICANT
11-19-2018 4:29 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
ICANT writes:
I don't have any intention of blowing anyone's head off unless they are trying to blow my head off, my wife's or someone near me.
I was talking about the moral right, not the intention. As I pointed out, Jesus told you not to resist evil. He told you to turn the other cheek.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 620 of 1184 (843773)
11-21-2018 11:14 AM
Reply to: Message 619 by ICANT
11-20-2018 3:42 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
ICANT writes:
I don't have a third cheek.
You always have an "other" cheek.
ICANT writes:
Neither did God give any directions after I turned the second cheek.
Yes He did. "Resist not evil" (Matthew 5:39) covers any number of cheeks.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 626 of 1184 (843951)
11-23-2018 11:30 AM
Reply to: Message 624 by ICANT
11-22-2018 4:23 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
ICANT writes:
Criminals do not obey laws so explain to me how gun control laws would make it more difficult for the criminals to get guns.
If it was illegal to have a loaded gun by your front door, ready to blow the heads off of any intruders, would you obey the law?

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 628 of 1184 (843983)
11-23-2018 3:15 PM
Reply to: Message 627 by ICANT
11-23-2018 3:08 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
ICANT writes:
My house is my castle. I make the rules that apply inside my house.
Yes, it's clear that you disregard God's rules when it suits you.
But the point here is about "law-abiding gun owners". If you make your own rules, you are not law-abiding.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 638 of 1184 (844004)
11-23-2018 9:13 PM
Reply to: Message 630 by ICANT
11-23-2018 4:19 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
ICANT writes:
The government says we can't control what a person does in their bedroom and neither will they control what goes on in my house.
In fact, there are very few laws that you can break in your own house.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 647 of 1184 (844171)
11-26-2018 10:59 AM
Reply to: Message 646 by Pressie
11-26-2018 6:32 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
Pressie writes:
In our case my brother keeps his 2 hunting rifles in a police approved safe in the house where my wife and I live.
The key word here is "hunting". If you're using a gun to hunt animals, it isn't that hard to keep it safe between hunting expeditions. But if, like ICANT, you're using it to blow people's heads off, it has to be handy, not safe.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 651 of 1184 (844298)
11-27-2018 7:37 PM
Reply to: Message 650 by ICANT
11-27-2018 6:58 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
ICANT writes:
I am not using my guns to blow peoples heads off. I have my guns to keep someone from blowing my head off. Big difference.
No, no difference at all. Your guns can't prevent somebody else from blowing your head off. Your only chance is to blow his head off first. And you'd have to read his mind to know whether he was going to blow your head off. Your intention is to shoot first in case you might be shot at.
I've already shown you where Jesus told you not to shoot back, much less shoot first.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 689 of 1184 (848908)
02-18-2019 11:26 AM
Reply to: Message 683 by marc9000
02-17-2019 5:48 PM


Re: Are you sane and stable? How do you know?
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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 711 of 1184 (848997)
02-20-2019 2:24 PM
Reply to: Message 707 by marc9000
02-19-2019 9:23 PM


Re: Are you sane and stable? How do you know?
Speaking on behalf of all Canadians, we're glad you're there too.
Please stay here.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 714 of 1184 (849025)
02-21-2019 10:58 AM
Reply to: Message 713 by marc9000
02-20-2019 9:15 PM


Re: Are you sane and stable? How do you know?
marc9000 writes:
... it's quick fall could flood YOUR southern border with millions of American refugees like myself.
You'd have to leave your beloved guns behind.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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