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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Some of them should have been mandated by government decades ago. Our proposals seem reasonable...And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
"Make the Company Keep Your Workplace Safe," jumps out.
And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Yikes. Soopers used to have security who carried guns....Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of ‘not knowing. -- Mark Z. Danielewski, House of Leaves
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
I was responding to your line, "Soopers used to have security who carried guns...." (Message 20). I quoted it. We have "regular" shoplifters. Do you propose shooting shoplifters?Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of ‘not knowing. -- Mark Z. Danielewski, House of Leaves
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
So is making people so poor that they feel they have to steal.
Stealing is not only unbiblical... Phat writes:
Maybe the priority of the lunch line should be based on who's the hungriest. Its like cutting in the lunch line.Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of ‘not knowing. -- Mark Z. Danielewski, House of Leaves
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Ask and ye shall receive.
Love thy neighbor, don't demand stuff from him. Phat writes:
And you see them as faceless bad guys.
They see my employer as a nameless faceless corporation and thus feel no remorse evening the social odds... Phat writes:
According to Jesus, it's mandatory for you to be willing.
Distribution should always be willingly...never mandatorily. Phat writes:
The only thing I have that's worth stealing is my jar of spare change. Maybe he's just saving me a trip downtown. Would you help some man who you just caught climbing out of your window with an armful of your stuff?Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of ‘not knowing. -- Mark Z. Danielewski, House of Leaves
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Hyroglyphx writes:
I didn't say it is. But there is a correlation between poverty and crime.
Theft isn't synonymous with poverty. Hyroglyphx writes:
The workers don't get paid in food either.
... go to any store in America or Canada and see what kind of haul they usually get. Hint: Not bread, not formula for their starving infant. Hyroglyphx writes:
Grab all you can? Yeah, that was how it worked until we invented the rule of law.
...maybe the priority should be first come, first serve. Hyroglyphx writes:
No, you're wrong. It's to each according to his need. A society that can't provide for the needs of its most needy is a worthless society. But, hey, to each according to their want, am I right?Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of ‘not knowing. -- Mark Z. Danielewski, House of Leaves
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
And yet your attitude toward theft is harsher than your employer's.
keep in mind that while on the clock, I represent my employer and not myself. Phat writes:
Nobody is saying it's okay to steal. I was replying to your, "Love thy neighbor, don't demand stuff from him." (Message 28) I'm saying if he asks, you should give.
I seriously doubt that God is telling these people that it's ok to steal. Phat writes:
Nobody's asking you to hand out Safeway's spare change, just your own. And while you're on the clock, you could try just being a little compassionate instead of vindictive.
I can't very well hand out spare change while I am on the clock since all of the spare change belongs to Safeway unless we are on break or lunch. Phat writes:
Yes, you render unto Safeway what belongs to Safeway but what does Safeway render unto you and its customers and the community that supports it?
when on the clock, we render unto Caesar(Safeway) what is Caesars and to God (and others) what is Gods. Phat writes:
As I've told you before, that is not an excuse for ignoring the poor. If anything, it's an indictment of our society. The poor you(we) shall always have with us.Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of ‘not knowing. -- Mark Z. Danielewski, House of Leaves
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Hyroglyphx writes:
The egg. Did you think it was a difficult question? Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Clearly, poverty came before crime. Poverty is a natural form of population control in most species. Crime, on the other hand, is strictly a social construct. Who "owns" what is arbitrary.
Hyroglyphx writes:
What people steal is just a medium of exchange. They don't steal cosmetics because they want cosmetics. They steal what's valuable and portable. They exchange it for what they need, whether that's food or drugs.
ringo writes:
Meaning? The workers don't get paid in food either. Hyroglyphx writes:
And you insinuated that the pushing to the front of the line is a good thing.
You insinuated that people grab all they can because of this terrible system of oppression that all but forces them to. Hyroglyphx writes:
And nobody is advocating any such thing. "Society" includes both those who are fed and those who feed, so your fantasy is meaningless. No, a society that thinks it should be spoon-fed from cradle to grave is a worthless society. I repeat: A society that can not take care of its weakest members - the children, the sick, the poor, the disabled, the aged, etc. - is worthless.Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of ‘not knowing. -- Mark Z. Danielewski, House of Leaves
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
I haven't said anything about justifying theft. I'm suggesting that you try to understand it. You'll never solve the problem by dehumanizing the thieves. And the fact remains that they are breaking a consensual rule, whether they can justify breaking it or not. Or maybe you really don't want to solve the problem. Maybe you'd rather try to preserve the myth of "the Fall".
Phat writes:
You should think about it, for a lot longer than a minute.
Don't think for a minute that they steal with Gods blessing. Phat writes:
As I have said, it was mandated by Jesus. You are mandated to be willing.
And that should be on the individual conscience...never only mandated by the government. Phat writes:
Non sequitur. If the churches were doing what they're supposed to do for the poor, the government wouldn't have to help them at all. And if somebody was doing enough for the poor, there would be a lot less crime. If government is to mandate societal giving, they need to also mandate punishment for theft of any kind.Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of ‘not knowing. -- Mark Z. Danielewski, House of Leaves
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
You keep saying that and I keep correcting you. God is not doing His work. For practical purposes - e.g. helping the hungry and sick - there is no God. We have to do the work if it's going to get done. It would be nice if there was a God doing it for us but there isn't. I am mainly addressing ringo, who thinks that there is no god and thus secular government(note he is an atheist) in its purest form should do Gods work---no god needed.Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of ‘not knowing. -- Mark Z. Danielewski, House of Leaves
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
You don't work for Caesar. But when you work for Caesar, you don't let Caesars food fall to thieves....even hungry ones.Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of ‘not knowing. -- Mark Z. Danielewski, House of Leaves
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