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Phat
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Message 1 of 8 (848937)
02-18-2019 6:10 PM


We are negotiating again in Colorado for our next contract.
King Soopers, Union Remain a Long Way Apart on New Labor Deal and so far the process is deadlocked.

I have attended most of the meetings and am watching the process play out. We are advocating fair and balanced proposals for all of the employees...not just the senior ones. Our proposals seem reasonable, and given that the corporations got their major tax cut from Trump, one would think that they could help take care of the rest of us. Stay tuned.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Coragyps
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Message 2 of 8 (848953)
02-19-2019 10:55 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Phat
02-18-2019 6:10 PM


“one would think” -
Yeah, if one were a good wishful thinker, maybe. 🤢
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Message 3 of 8 (849000)
02-20-2019 2:56 PM
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02-18-2019 6:10 PM


Phat writes:

Our proposals seem reasonable...


Some of them should have been mandated by government decades ago.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 4 of 8 (849001)
02-20-2019 2:58 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Phat
02-18-2019 6:10 PM


, and given that the corporations got their major tax cut from Trump, one would think that they could help take care of the rest of us.

why would they do that?

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
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Phat
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Message 5 of 8 (849158)
02-26-2019 3:57 PM


Labor Update
I posted a message to our local's Facebook page to better explain the negotiating process to everyone.
quote:
Bargaining 101

The process basically works like this.
1) A committee of members from a wide variety of stores and positions and classifications from across the state is formed. It represents a broad consensus of workers from all departments, all seniority levels, and all regions of Colorado. (This was done last year at the time of the survey) Based on the survey input from employees, the committee decides what major modifications to push to improve the contract.
2) The company sends around 7 or 8 people from its corporate hierarchy to negotiate. They decide what they want to take away from us in order to get as cheap a deal as they can for corporate profit.
3) The union committee and leadership negotiate with the corporation. Each side puts forth twenty or so main objectives for their proposal. We encourage members to attend and show unity and support, as it shows the corporation that we mean to stand together and get a fair deal for all. Members are encouraged to show up for the meetings and get accurate information as to what is being discussed. Printed updates give an outline but do not tell the whole story.
4) Corporate dickers and hems and haws, taking a long time to get to the main points. (this is where we are now) It is to their advantage to draw the process out in hopes that members will lose focus and seek a quick solution. At this point, unity and accurate information are essential. Members need to stay united. the goals are good for all of us.
5) Once the company gives us its best offer, known technically as a last, best and final offer, we as members get a chance to vote. This vote is very important. Unlike US Politics, a split vote is NOT the answer. It weakens us. We need a unified accept or reject vote of over 80% unity. The committee will recommend that we accept or reject an offer.
6) Voting to strike does not mean that a strike must occur. It only shows unity from the membership. A strong show of unity is the best hope for a good contract for everyone.
7) A strike vote can lead to a strike if the company does not reopen the negotiation. In today's economy and with today's market, a good contract is possible if everyone works together for all of us rather than simply for themselves.
The process is slow as is politics. It is the best process for a fair contract for everyone.

Does that explain it? Stay United! I'm on my way to the meeting before I work.---Member



Grocery workers contract dispute

Edited by Phat, : No reason given.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


  
Phat
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Message 6 of 8 (849604)
03-15-2019 4:19 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by ringo
02-20-2019 2:56 PM


Labor Pains In Colorado
Im as involved as a store steward can be. Here is the latest from Colorado.

So basically we have two chains of grocers in Colorado who are under UFCW Local 7. There are two separate contracts---one for Safeway and one for the larger chain, King Soopers. They are sister contracts in that they have basically the same language yet with a few exceptions. Kings has 12000 employees, most of them newer....(hired after 2005). We have far less...due to the fact that Safeway (now Safeway/Albertsons after the merger a few years ago) closed 35 stores and consolidated into fewer stronger stores. They canceled their contract extension and King Soopers employees are voting Thur and Fri (today) to see how many want to accept the contract proposal and how many want to strike.

Safeway still has a contract extension and no new negotiations scheduled yet.

We are waiting to see the outcome of this vote from rival (yet union brother) chain. Stay tuned...I'm in the thick of information regarding this. I am earning my stripes as a steward.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Phat
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Message 7 of 8 (849614)
03-16-2019 9:31 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by Phat
03-15-2019 4:19 PM


Re: Labor Pains In Colorado
The larger rival chain (King Soopers) had a vote and the vote to reject the contract offer that I showed here a few posts back and authorize a strike was an overwhelming 92%. My grocery store (Safeway) is still under a contract extension. We likely will get hit by a flood of business....perhaps overwhelmed. Now, I'm not sure what will happen and I have some more questions directed towards the union higher-ups. I told my store director the same thing that I told my co-workers. I believe that my store is unified should we need to be.

Not sure what happens next. Stay tuned.

King Soopers grocery workers vote to authorize strike

Edited by Phat, : No reason given.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Phat
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Message 8 of 8 (849724)
03-19-2019 9:32 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by DrJones*
02-20-2019 2:58 PM


Why Would They Do That?
Good point. I had to do some digging.

Labor Unions: Liberal vs Conservative- Worthington


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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