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Author Topic:   Free will vs Omniscience
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Message 856 of 858 (849395)
03-07-2019 6:58 PM

But this is all nonsense because according to the theology god created two perfect worlds, Heaven and Eden.

Why then suffer this crap?

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Message 857 of 858 (849412)
03-08-2019 8:43 AM
Reply to: Message 855 by 1.61803
03-07-2019 5:17 PM

Re: ** FOREknowledge**
1.61803 writes:

That's why one must accept that you can not have things like free will and then expect that someone else's choice may infringe on your freewill.

Someone is gonna get hurt. No way around it. If God exist he certainly is unable to reconcile this issue because maybe he as well is willing to accept the down side in order for us to exist as well. I dont know.

Yes - if this is the way it "must be" - then I agree.

Of course "freewill" and "someone getting hurt" are two very large ranges.
I don't see them as on/off switches.

That is - the freewill to but a t-shirt or a sweater, to vacation in Cuba or the Galapagos, to spend time with these people over those people... seems like such freewill could be contained if other freewill like wanting to kill another person or have sex without consent were removed.

As with getting hurt. I don't see why we could still stub our toes if things like sex without consent were prevented.

How could it be prevented?
Again - if it's "impossible for God" - then, fair enough, God is not all powerful and we have what we have.
But, if it's not "impossible for God" - then God is either evil (towards humans, anyway) for not creating a better world - or God doesn't exist.

And that question: Is it impossible for God or not? - is certainly a question that I'm not capable of answering.

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Message 858 of 858 (849422)
03-08-2019 5:33 PM
Reply to: Message 857 by Stile
03-08-2019 8:43 AM

Re: ** FOREknowledge**
Can't pass up the opportunity.

Of course it's "impossible for God". Can't do when you don't exist.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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