Christianity and the End Times

So again the question. Did this idea create/imagine us before we defined it?

So your idea is that even if a God existed, you assume that He expects you to do it yourself and that its best just to leave Him alone.. Got it.

So is a prayer wasted effort? Then why is one of His two major commandments to love Him with our whole being?

Shamans wrote the commandments? This is news. Were Moses and Aaron Shamans?Of course one mans Roast Ox is another mans spare change. Edited by Phat, : added quip

Your spare change is communion. You don't even need to bring God up.One side discussion is whether Moses used God to maintain power or whether he really thought the people needed the imagery.Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

So was Jesus. Jesus did bring up His Father a lot. I wonder if he would do that today?

In our all-inclusive world, I see that as a possibility. But His message would not change.

Not exactly. We believe that God came before dirt. God existed before the singularity before the Big Bang. But of course, I can't prove it objectively.
I just want to straighten you out on what "my God" means. Logically you can say that "star stuff" was around before any humans wrote a book or dreamed up some God that uttered the initial Word. We won't agree on this context.

No. What could such a Jesus do for anybody? He would be like many humans....a legend in his own mind. He would by definition be unconnected from anything greater than Himself. He would preach that evidence was the method for determining the truth. His vocabulary would contain no words like "Faith" or "Belief". And even if He did speak of belief, We still couldn't "see" His Father. No character like that was written in the message.

Are you suggesting that IF Jesus existed and IF
He was to exist today, humanity would be better off were He an atheist?That's quite a rabbit trail you have there.

So where does He think He came from?

People should be able to spend their money on whatever they want. We don't need extreme socialists to form some consensus on what's best for all of us any more than we need extreme conservatives giving themselves tax cuts.Maybe that's why I am a political moderate.I do agree that Jesus would want us to take care of each other, however. Even if he were an atheist. Add By Edit: Though I seriously doubt that He thinks Joseph is His Daddy. Critics will patiently await my evidence, but no DNA was taken at that time and place. Personally, I think Carrier and the Mythicists are daft, however. As far as empty belief goes, this whole atheism thing is more empty to me than anything the believers can churn out. The known universe, not to mention the hypothetical multiverses are too big to be empty.You likely could imagine a hypothetical ET coming to help out the Bronze Age. I suppose that to you, that makes more probable sense than the dogma. Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

What you expect and what I expect are likely two different scenarios, although you are a likable and knowledgeable chap. Have you ever seen the play, Hamilton? I like the music.

So what would the liberal viewpoint be? "People should be able to spend their money on what we want? See, this is why I am a political moderate. Keywords: Should Be Able. Never Required. The two-party system prevents excessive measures. How would such a consensus be drawn? Measured? Implemented? The glass is a metaphor for _________?
The water is a metaphor for...? Comments? Oh so you mean Belief? I suppose that metaphorically belief could be equated to water.
Reread the Woman at the well. If you never thirst again, the glass cant very well be empty now can it?

So what makes a promise empty? Lack of Evidence or Lack Of Belief?