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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
The agreements with the EU were basically the sort of stuff expected since around the time of the last vote. So it’s mostly surprising that as many people have switched as have. May’s strategy of running down the clock seems to have partially worked - but it’s unlikely that it will save her deal.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
Yeh, the vote tonight on the deal on the table will be lost and the vote to leave without a deal tomorrow will also be lost.
So then we have nothing. Nobody's saying it yet but the only alternative is a delay, but that requires a vote in the EU to allow it. If they so no, we will drop out of the EU on 29th March anyway. The only way of stopping that would be another referendum. Huzzah!Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 995 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
Nobody's saying it yet but the only alternative is a delay, but that requires a vote in the EU to allow it. If they so no, we will drop out of the EU on 29th March anyway. The only way of stopping that would be another referendum. Huzzah! Alas, with the time remaining, there isn't any recourse to pursue another referendum. I think at a minimum, they require at least 10 weeks of lead time. Considering how divisive another referendum might be, I can't imagine how difficult it would be for them to even agree on what the question might be. Considering their track record to date is not even agreeing on what Brexit means. I would be surprised if the EU didn't grant an extension. The real question is how long. But with the EU parliamentary elections happening this year, as mentioned, I don't think they want the UK to still be a member and contribute to the election process if they plan on exiting.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
i'm a cock-up theorist, a big fan of the bugger's muddle, but in this case I'm really hoping for conspiracy. The EU are remainers and Mrs May is a remainer I'm hoping that this is all a plot - produce an unvotable for deal, create deadliock beg EU for extension in order to ask again.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 995 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
And May’s deal goes down in flames. Defeated by “only” 149 votes this time.
Tomorrow they vote on No Deal.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 995 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
And May’s deal goes down in flames. Defeated by “only” 149 votes this time. Tomorrow they vote on No Deal. So the buggers muddle just muddles on..... Should be an interesting week.
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caffeine Member (Idle past 1046 days) Posts: 1800 From: Prague, Czech Republic Joined: |
Yeh, the vote tonight on the deal on the table will be lost and the vote to leave without a deal tomorrow will also be lost. And there we have it, Parliament just voted for.... well, nothing. Since the vote on no deal creates no legally binding consequences. As I type, Corbyn is discussing that he intends to meet with Tory MPs to find a solution of some kind, whilst being vague on what it is. Apparently unaware that Brexit day is a little over two weeks away.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 995 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
And there we have it, Parliament just voted for.... well, nothing. Since the vote on no deal creates no legally binding consequences. I'm actually blown away by how close that vote was: 312 to 308. A spread of only four votes. So on the surface, it actually appears as though more MPs are in favor of No Deal versus May's deal. So now the only remaining options are: - Request an extension of Article 50; this has to be ratified by the EU- The UK withdraws its withdrawal request, something it can apparently do unilaterally - By some miracle, May's deal is tweaked and passes in the next two weeks; highly dubious I guess there is also a fourth option: the UK re-militarizes, invades Europe, and then restores the British Empire to its former glory. I bet Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees-Mogg would like that one.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
That was the vote on the Spelman amendment insisting on a deal.
There was a majority of 43 for the actual motion. And a much bigger majority against the No Deal Malthouse “compromise”.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 995 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
That was the vote on the Spelman amendment insisting on a deal. There was a majority of 43 for the actual motion. And a much bigger majority against the No Deal Malthouse “compromise”. My bad. Actually, when I first read it on BBC News, it had the 312 to 308 numbers in bold. I am wondering if somebody referenced the wrong vote in the article and have since amended it. Nonetheless, I stand corrected.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
The Spelman Amendment going through was the first vote and very important. The government tried to kill it and then tried to kill their own motion because of it. But the motion going through with the amendment was the really 8mportant thing.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 995 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
quote: Interestingly, Donald Tusk on the EU side is going to propose that the EU offer a long delay. Upwards of a year. If that occurs, that opens up a whole slew of possibilities including a general election, negotiation of a new deal or even another referendum. Clearly, the drama is far from over.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
A pity that all the amendments were voted down or withdrawn. The Benn amendment failing by only 2 votes was especially sad.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 995 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
quote: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47614074 That rules out another vote on May's deal in the short term.
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