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Tanypteryx
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Message 166 of 1385 (849674)
03-17-2019 2:41 PM
Reply to: Message 148 by Dredge
03-17-2019 1:25 AM


Dredge writes:

Tanypteryx writes:

We don't give a shit whether you benefit from it or not


NO ONE benefits from the concept of UCA ... or any evolutionary theory, for that matter. Its only "benefit" is to make all those atheists out there feel more emotionally secure.

Well, one benefit is it sure makes you insecure.

Dredge writes:

We are not applying evolution to what we are discovering, we are learning evolution from what we are discovering.

Whatever useful applications of biology are discovered, you can be 100% certain none of them will depend on accepting UCA.

Wow, 100% certainty. Of course, since you are full of bullshit I probably won't take you word for anything.


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Message 167 of 1385 (849687)
03-18-2019 3:49 AM


It's the 150 year anniversary of the discovery of the relatedness of chemical elements that allow them to be organised into categories and create predictions for missing elements.

http://tass.com/science/1047675

This reminds me a little of how organisms can be organised into taxonomies both living and historic. Also allowing predictions to be made about 'missing links'. The UCA is a conclusion based on tracing these taxonomic groups back in time.


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Message 168 of 1385 (849692)
03-18-2019 8:42 AM
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03-17-2019 1:43 AM


Dredge writes:

However, I remain unconvinced that any evolutionary theory has provided a practical use in applied science.

I'm sure you do, buddy.

Hey, I heard some flat-earthers are having a convention... you going?


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Message 169 of 1385 (849717)
03-18-2019 11:48 PM
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03-18-2019 8:42 AM


You can't provide an example of a practical use for evolutionary theory. Thank you, that's all I need to know.

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Message 170 of 1385 (849718)
03-19-2019 1:27 AM
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03-18-2019 11:48 PM


You can't provide an example of a practical use for evolutionary theory. Thank you, that's all I need to know.

Like you said, knowing that is of no use to applied science.

And besides, you can't possibly know that because you couldn't have possibly done any useful research about a useless subject.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 171 of 1385 (849722)
03-19-2019 8:26 AM
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03-18-2019 11:48 PM


Dredge writes:

You can't provide an example of a practical use for evolutionary theory. Thank you, that's all I need to know.

I can't? What... like medicine?

Ha ha... sure, whatever you say, buddy.


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Message 172 of 1385 (849725)
03-19-2019 11:49 AM
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03-18-2019 11:48 PM


Dredge writes:

You can't provide an example of a practical use for evolutionary theory.


You're being dishonest. You've moved the goalposts from UCA to evolutionary theory.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 173 of 1385 (849732)
03-20-2019 1:20 AM
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03-17-2019 4:00 AM


Tangle writes:

And do also you accept the theory of evolution that explains those fossils?

The "theory of evolution that explains those fossils"? There is no such thing as science is incapable of explaining the fossil record.


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Message 174 of 1385 (849733)
03-20-2019 1:28 AM
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03-17-2019 9:06 AM


Re: Name one.
AZPaul3 writes:

Typical creationist BS.
The point here Drudge, is that your claim is not worth debating. You are a troll ignorant of the science and the particulars of the issues. Your only purpose here is to insult evolution in a vain attempt to emotionally shore-up your errant beliefs in religious majik.
You fail, miserably, in intellect, knowledge, logic and all the other attributes necessary to debate questions with thinking human beings. You are desperate to debunk the tenets of evolution since they destroy your precious god delusions and that scares the hell out of you.
Interesting. It actually scares the hell into you which is why you feel so desperate.
Think about it. You have before you a proven hell-free existence just by embracing reality. You don't really need your gods after all.

It's got nothing to do with "Typicial creationist BS". I simply asked you to provide an example of a practical use for evolutionary theory, but you repllied with a completely irrelevant, anti-theist rant. In other words, you've got nothing. Therefore you would agree with me that evolutionary theory has provided no practical uses at all in applied science ... no?


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Message 175 of 1385 (849734)
03-20-2019 1:40 AM
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03-19-2019 11:49 AM


ringo writes:

You're being dishonest. You've moved the goalposts from UCA to evolutionary theory.


It seems you are wrong on two counts:
1. Where did I say I'm dropping the concept of UCA from the discussion?
2. The concept of UCA implies evolutionary theory.

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Message 176 of 1385 (849735)
03-20-2019 1:43 AM
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03-19-2019 8:26 AM


Stile writes:

I can't? What... like medicine?

Pray tell ... how has evolutionary theory proven useful in medicine? Please provide a specific example.


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Message 177 of 1385 (849736)
03-20-2019 1:50 AM
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03-17-2019 10:51 AM


edge writes:

Okay, so we can just do away with basic biological science.


1. Straw man.

2. When a theoretical biologist comes up with something important to say (as opposed to useless pseudo-scientific stories), wake me up.


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Message 178 of 1385 (849737)
03-20-2019 1:52 AM
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03-17-2019 10:58 AM


Re: Name one.
edge writes:

Interesting. Then who wrote this:

A biologist who doesn't work in the field of applied biology isn't worth talking to.

... if not you?


What?

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Message 179 of 1385 (849738)
03-20-2019 1:55 AM
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03-17-2019 11:14 AM


Re: Name one.
edge writes:

The argument here is an intellectually vacant exercise unless one just wants to stir the pot. Suggesting that a theory does not do something it was never intended to do is just a form of trolling, not to be taken seriously.


I'm simply asking if anyone can give me an example of a practical use for evolutionary theory. It looks like you've got nothing to offer.

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Message 180 of 1385 (849739)
03-20-2019 2:10 AM
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03-17-2019 2:13 PM


ringo writes:

I presume by looking at how climate change may have affected evolution in the past.
But this is a classic case of goalpost-shifting. You asked for examples of uses for the UCA. There's an example. Now you're demanding that I justify the usefulness of the example? As I said earlier in the thread, it's up to scientists to decide what's useful to them.

How has "looking at how climate change may have affected evolution in the past" provided a practical use today? You made the claim, now you need to back it up with supporting evidence - to wit: a specific example.

Then you're shooting yourself in the foot. If they use it, it's useful.

You're really getting desperate now. You're implying that I said ALL evolutionary biology is useful, which is not what I said at all.

evolutionary biology = biology + evolutionary theory.

The "biology" part is useful; the "evolutionary theory" part is useless.

Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.


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