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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8529 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Yes, of course, gun legislation needs to be more restrictive. IMO all nations should ban all guns for civilian use, including sport.
But there is a bigger problem. Anti-democracy forces are on the rise in this world, again. Racism, bigotry, discrimination against all manner of "them" expressed in ways from subtle to openly violent are finding receptive supporting populations throughout what we used to consider the strong stable democracies around the world. Global economic disruptions due to sever climate change will only get worse from here. The rise of the violent right will continue to grow. Our grandchildren will suffer like no other generations before. The last time the world had to fight off this kind of fascism it cost us more than 80 million dead and, in today's money, $15 trillion. I fear this time the effort won't be so cheap or limited ... or successful. Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Tangle writes: New Zealand Cabinet have agreed to change gun law and licencing. Detailed announcements next week expect to ban semi-automatic weapons and introduce a gun amnesty. The gun people have already told us of the terrible consequences New Zealanders will suffer for making it more difficult for the public to have guns. Quoting from posts to this thread and to the Police Shootings thread:
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Percy writes: The gun people have already told us of the terrible consequences New Zealanders will suffer for making it more difficult for the public to have guns. Quoting from posts to this thread and to the Police Shootings thread We have the experience is Australia to prove them wrong and shortly we'll have New Zealand. The gun nuts will still be in denial though.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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vimesey Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: |
What sane people do:
New Zealand will ban all types of semi-automatic weapons and assault rifles following the Christchurch attacks, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has said. Christchurch shootings: New Zealand to ban military style weapons - BBC News Causing evil people to lie:
National Rifle Association (NRA) spokeswoman Dana Loesch: ""The US isn't NZ," she tweeted. "While they do not have an inalienable right to bear arms and to self defense, we do."Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ? |
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
New Zealand banned semi-automatic weapons overnight. Ownership is now illegal. Buy-back scheme being introduced and a truck load of licencing on the cards. All fabulously sane.
Explainer: how are New Zealand's gun laws changing? | Christchurch | The GuardianJe suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm. |
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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The musket was the weapon of choice when the 2nd Amendment was written. Here's a short one minute comparison of a musket with an AR-15:
Here's an entertaining comparison where they actually fire a musket and an AR-15. It's a little longer, 4 minutes, but worth it if you have the time. Be sure to watch the bloopers section at the end - those muskets had a lot of ways to go wrong and not fire.
Here is an AR15 being fired both with and without a bump stock (I've positioned the video at precisely the right point, you only have to watch about 15 seconds):
The writers of the 2nd amendment did not have modern firearms in mind. Maybe everyone *should* have the right to keep and bear musket loaders, but not modern weapons. Looking at New Zealand, it's amazing how rational people can be about the dangers of firearms when they don't have the issue all confused in their minds with the possibility that some sacred right is being trampled. --Percy
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Phat Member Posts: 18300 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Comments?Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Phat writes: Comments? When the gun entered the auditorium I would have exited. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
New Zealand passes law banning most semiautomatic weapons, less than a month after mosque massacres, reports the Washington Post.
When you don't have an archaic and anachronistic Second Amendment, behaving rationally is simple. --Percy
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
...and only one MP voted against. Extraordinary.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
No American who speaks of any part of our Constitution as archaic and anachronistic deserves to be called rational or sane.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Allowing only men to vote is archaic. No American who speaks of any part of our Constitution as archaic and anachronistic deserves to be called rational or sane.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You have absolutely no respect for history.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
You're the one who is ignoring history. The original Constitution denied women the right to vote. The 19th Amendment corrected that. Are you suggesting that the denying women the vote is not archaic? You have absolutely no respect for history. I personally believe that even people as ignorant and hateful as you should be allowed to vote.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
Slavery as a legal institution is archaic. It is part of the US Constitution. Not allowing women and non property owners and non-whites to vote is archaic. Not directly electing Senators is archaic. Having the vice-President be the second place in the election for President is archaic. Allowing a Poll tax is archaic.
Need I continue?Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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