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Stile Member Posts: 4033 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 4.1
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I think helping people feel better is important.
Yes. That wasn't the idea, though. The idea is that it's okay for people (if they want to) to follow something that is part of their imagination. Just as "okay" as it is for someone to follow something that can be validated against reality.
I'm simply answering your questions, with a bit of extra rambling added in.
And if you call something daft that I think is important, I'll point that out.
With this, I fully agree.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
If you model spiritual development with the growth of an individual human, this would put the modern world in their angsty teen years. I think the modern world will continue to grow and people will realize they shouldn't completely turn their back on spirituality. Once they find the value, they'll start looking into what other/older people have tried to tell us about it all.
Meh ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ There's a point where seeming real is real enough - and then it doesn't really matter if it is imagined or not. Like, I don't care if we're really in the Matrix - it's real enough for practical purposes.
At face value, the myths do appear childish and unnecessary. But I don't think they're actually that early in their stage of development. The problem is that spirituality is awfully short on data and it's hard to make sense of it. Still though, there are rewards and value in it and when people realize that then they aren't going to be discouraged by the difficulty anymore. With the desire to search and learn, you can realize that those old childish stories to have some good wisdom buried within them. That's why they're not worth just tossing out. Edited by New Cat's Eye, : No reason given.
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Tangle Member Posts: 8066 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.3 |
A toddler at very best. The enlightenment was only 400 years ago.
Maybe, but it's more likely to be inward looking examining consciousness and feeling rather than outwards to fictional gods.
That's because they are!
There's stacks of wisdom in the biblical stories - some of them at least, but it's got nothing to do with god. You could remove all talk of god from them and the wisdom would remain. That's because all the 'love thy neighbour' stuff is universal. You don't need to be 'spiritual' to appreciate that stuff. But you don't need religion or god to be spriritual at all. It's not something that I have much time for but Sam Harris - one of the four modern atheist - talks about consciouness, meditation and spirituality a lot. No god or religious belief necessary. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/..._Spirituality_Without_Religion Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
At the toddler stage you just believe what you're told. Its the teenage stage that you think you know better and reject everything. Then when you start getting into adulthood you realize that the stuff you rejected does have value.
Well that's where I found my spirituality.
In there I found a being that was distinct and separate from my self - I'll be calling it God, but I don't really know what it was. Maybe I did imagine it, but it doesn't seem like it, and it does seem real. Real enough to be convincing. Real enough for all intents and purposes. The benefits I've received from it makes me not really care if it's really real or not.
Often times yes, but sometimes no. This week's church lesson that my Luthern friend shared with me yesterday was on Matt 20: quote: When I first found God I thought He was gonna pissed at me for turning my back on Him for so long. That couldn't have been farther from what I actually experienced - I felt open arms and a desire to provide help. I did think that it was kind of odd that it was as if I had never been gone - and if people like my mother who have been devout their whole lives are getting the same deal then that did feel kind of unfair. But as the story eludes to: It's God's "money" and he can do with it as He wants - and it's not unfair for Him to be generous even though other people accepted a different deal. I also like how these old stories still ring a bell today - a company deciding to provide a better wage to unskilled workers is not unfair to the skilled workers who agreed to the wages they previously accepted.
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Tangle Member Posts: 8066 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.3
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Let's face it, your a Buddhist with Christian tendancies. Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
I'm willing to consider it, but I don't know and it'd take some convincing.
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Phat Member Posts: 14943 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
I had a wild thing happen to me just this last week. First, some perspective: I was with a friend and I was sharing old audio tapes with him. (I make a diary...an audio diary, and sometimes I was with him when I made my sessions. )
He went out on the porch for a smoke break (no smoking in my house) and I continued thinking about the past. Suddenly a story reemerged in my mind...no doubt from the subconscious to the conscious. I want to share it with you in our private Great Debate thread. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
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