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Tangle
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Message 477 of 887 (848201)
02-01-2019 4:25 PM
Reply to: Message 476 by AZPaul3
02-01-2019 2:24 PM


Re: Another Referendum
AZP writes:
What's Europe going to do ... say, "No"?
The EU doesn't say anything, the UK just asks for their letter back and it's like nothing happened.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 479 of 887 (848221)
02-01-2019 5:53 PM
Reply to: Message 478 by AZPaul3
02-01-2019 5:47 PM


Re: Another Referendum
AZP writes:
Good. Then why don't you all go do that ...
I reckon if they asked us again we might.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 497 of 887 (849509)
03-12-2019 1:26 PM
Reply to: Message 495 by Diomedes
03-12-2019 10:08 AM


Re: Brexit Deal Vote - The Latest
Yeh, the vote tonight on the deal on the table will be lost and the vote to leave without a deal tomorrow will also be lost.
So then we have nothing.
Nobody's saying it yet but the only alternative is a delay, but that requires a vote in the EU to allow it. If they so no, we will drop out of the EU on 29th March anyway. The only way of stopping that would be another referendum. Huzzah!

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 499 of 887 (849511)
03-12-2019 2:37 PM
Reply to: Message 498 by Diomedes
03-12-2019 2:06 PM


Re: Brexit Deal Vote - The Latest
i'm a cock-up theorist, a big fan of the bugger's muddle, but in this case I'm really hoping for conspiracy. The EU are remainers and Mrs May is a remainer I'm hoping that this is all a plot - produce an unvotable for deal, create deadliock beg EU for extension in order to ask again.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 528 of 887 (849812)
03-22-2019 10:27 AM
Reply to: Message 527 by Diomedes
03-22-2019 9:37 AM


Re: Next steps may actually be more complex
Diomedes writes:
On a sidebar, British politics is WAAAAAY more interesting than American politics. I've watched CSPAN many times and it is boring as shit.
Chinese curse: “May you live in interesting times”.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 531 of 887 (849858)
03-23-2019 12:27 PM
Reply to: Message 529 by Phat
03-23-2019 9:22 AM


Re: Moving Quietly Towards The Exit (Brexit)
Phat writes:
Tangle, can you explain to me in a nutshell what direction British politics is heading?
No, sorry. Ask me about quantum theory, it's easier.
It's also the same concept, anyone that tells you they know what the hell will happen is a liar.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 542 of 887 (849985)
03-28-2019 6:05 AM
Reply to: Message 541 by caffeine
03-28-2019 5:41 AM


Re: Finally some clarity!
And some people seem to think that the the deal is better when the deal-maker resigns after signing it - so much so that they'll vote for exactly the same deal that they previously violently opposed.
Some of these MPs need drowning in the Thames.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 549 of 887 (850004)
03-28-2019 10:45 AM
Reply to: Message 545 by Diomedes
03-28-2019 9:29 AM


Re: Finally some clarity!
Diomedes writes:
So Tangle, what's the British slang we need to now use in light of recent developments?
I think our civil servants would call it a very unsatisfactory situation.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 553 of 887 (850049)
03-29-2019 3:09 PM


Two year delay, followed by referendum where the vote is 55/45 remain.
A boy can hope.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 556 of 887 (850055)
03-29-2019 5:07 PM
Reply to: Message 555 by caffeine
03-29-2019 3:45 PM


I'd take 51:49.
It doesn't matter what result is, millions of people will be pissed off for a generation whatever happens. This is what happens when our elected representatives shirk their job.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 561 of 887 (850155)
04-02-2019 5:47 AM
Reply to: Message 560 by AZPaul3
04-01-2019 6:34 PM


Re: All Brexit proposals fail - Again
AZP writes:
Come on Queen. Put an end to this.
If Parliament instructed the government to do something it didn't want to, Teresa could ask the Queen to strike it off - not sure how that works but apparently it's constitutional.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 607 of 887 (853249)
05-24-2019 4:20 AM


They said the job couldn't be done
She rolled up her sleeves and went to it
She tackled that job that couldn't be done
And couldn't damn well do it

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 621 of 887 (853300)
05-25-2019 12:41 PM
Reply to: Message 620 by Diomedes
05-25-2019 11:38 AM


Re: Understanding Brexit
Corbin has said that as soon as the new PM is in place he'll call a vote of no confidence. If that succeeds, then there's an election and the pooh really hits the fan.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 623 of 887 (853327)
05-26-2019 11:11 AM
Reply to: Message 622 by Diomedes
05-26-2019 10:29 AM


Re: Understanding Brexit
The next PM is highly likely to be a real Brexiter which causes some problems in that no deal becomes more likely. But because the House has already voted against no deal - pretty much the only thing that has a majority - it would provoke a no confidence vote.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 625 of 887 (853333)
05-26-2019 1:57 PM
Reply to: Message 624 by AZPaul3
05-26-2019 1:39 PM


Re: Understanding Brexit
AZP writes:
So now the newly approved PM drives back to Westminster to face a no-confidence vote? From the same house that just installed him/her as PM?
Normally no. Currently yes.
The point is that it's the Conservative party that elects a PM, not Parliament. Parliament consists of MPs from all parties and it has voted against a no deal Brexit so it's possible that parliament could force a general election by succeeding with a vote of no confidence.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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