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Author Topic:   Any practical use for Universal Common Ancestor?
JonF
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Message 325 of 1385 (850099)
03-31-2019 10:06 AM
Reply to: Message 318 by Dredge
03-31-2019 8:34 AM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
Sorry Mr. Dawkins, the Cambrian explosion still represents evidence of creation and evidence against ToE.
And still no evidence or argument for that other than your personal incredulity.
Yes, the appearance of animals with hard bits was so sudden it is referred to as an "explosion". And another odd thing happened during this "explosion" - virtually all the animal pyhla that have ever existed appeared. Funny that.
Translates to "Gosharootie, Buffalo Bob, that tens of millions of years of evolution of hard body parts is too much for my feeble brain."

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Message 358 of 1385 (850161)
04-02-2019 10:01 AM
Reply to: Message 334 by Dredge
04-02-2019 1:38 AM


Re: Pills
It's so strange that you should say this, as it wasn't me who brought it up - it was NosyNed who said "Every pamphlet with antibiotics warns you to finish the whole series. That is evolutionary theory in action" (#191).
Ned made the same point as I did. You brought up the actions of antibiotics to avoid the point.
The actions of antibiotics have nothing to do with the discussion. How bacteria evolve in the presence of antibiotics is relevant.
The aim of finishing the whole series of antibiotics is to render extinct a population of bacteria - extinction is evolution?
Bzzzzzzzt! Wrong. Want to try again, or take a free copy of the home game and go away?
Regardless, this has nothing to do with the OP - the information that all life on earth evolved from a common ancesteor is irrelevant to the science involved in antibiotics.
You keep insisting that LUCA is a critical foundation of the ToE. If so, a practical application of the concept LUCA is supporting the ToE which has practical applicad
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Message 359 of 1385 (850162)
04-02-2019 10:05 AM
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04-02-2019 3:03 AM


Re: Applied Science is the use of scientific knowledge
How very dare you!! Do you have any idea of the calibre of intelligence and euridition you're dealing with?]
Yes.

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Message 417 of 1385 (850276)
04-05-2019 9:32 AM
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04-05-2019 3:07 AM


Okay, I take your point, but if there is more than one common ancestor, how can one say "all life on Earth is connected ... to each other"
HGT.

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JonF
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Message 418 of 1385 (850277)
04-05-2019 9:41 AM
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04-05-2019 3:29 AM


I see you don't know much set theory. If a subset of the ToE has practical use then the ToE has practical use.

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JonF
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Message 471 of 1385 (850541)
04-10-2019 11:08 AM
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04-10-2019 2:00 AM


Re: quote mining -- misrepresentation
There is only one way ALL LIFE on earth can share a common ancestor - it's if ALL life on earth descended from ONE common ancestor.
Nope.
HGT.
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JonF
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Message 472 of 1385 (850542)
04-10-2019 11:16 AM
Reply to: Message 456 by Dredge
04-10-2019 2:04 AM


In that case, if a subset of the theory does not have a practical use, that means the theory does not have practical use.
Yeah, you have no clue about set theory or logic.
Say set A has subsets B and C. Subset B has no practical use, subset C does. One subset of A does not have practical use, but A has practical use.
You should have said "In that case, if all subsets of the theory do not have a practical use, that means the theory does not have practical use."
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JonF
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Message 500 of 1385 (850771)
04-14-2019 9:43 AM
Reply to: Message 495 by Dredge
04-14-2019 3:55 AM


Re: Any practical use for Universal Common Ancestor?
The name of this site is "Evolution verses Creation". Are you trying to tell me the "Creation" part is strictly scientific?
Parts of this site are strictly and explicitly scientific, parts are explicitly non-scientific. Click "forums" at the top of the window and note the grouping.
Duh.
Somewhere around here there's an explicit statement of the differences between the groups, but I can't find it r now.

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Message 501 of 1385 (850772)
04-14-2019 9:43 AM
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04-14-2019 3:55 AM


Re: Any practical use for Universal Common Ancestor?
Dupe. .
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Message 544 of 1385 (851240)
04-21-2019 12:21 PM
Reply to: Message 543 by Faith
04-21-2019 12:16 PM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
If it were well supported by evidence, no problem.
Your ideas don't fit that classification, no matter how often you claim to have evidence. The devil is in the details.

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JonF
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Message 548 of 1385 (851246)
04-21-2019 1:14 PM
Reply to: Message 545 by Faith
04-21-2019 12:26 PM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
Content-free as usual.

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Message 553 of 1385 (851258)
04-21-2019 2:06 PM
Reply to: Message 551 by Faith
04-21-2019 1:53 PM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
Yes.
They are expressed differently in humans and chimps, but they are the same genes.
quote:
In particular, the researchers found that two genes, PAX3 and PAX7, known to affect snout length and shape in laboratory mice, as well as skin pigmentation, were expressed at higher levels in chimpanzees than in humans. Humans with less than the normal amount of PAX3 have a condition called Waardenburg syndrome, which includes craniofacial, auditory and pigmentation defects. Genomewide association studies in humans have identified PAX3 as a region involved in normal facial variation.
If we want to understand what makes human and chimp faces different, we have to look to the source ” to the cell types responsible for making these early patterning decisions.
In contrast, another gene known to be involved in determining the shape of the beaks of finches and the jaw of a fish called a cichlid was expressed at higher levels in humans than in chimpanzees. In mice, overexpression of this gene, BMP4, in cranial neural crest cells causes a marked change in face shape, including a rounding of the skull and eyes that are more near the front of the face.
Scientists home in on origin of human, chimpanzee facial differences | News Center | Stanford Medicine

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JonF
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Message 563 of 1385 (851409)
04-24-2019 8:32 AM
Reply to: Message 559 by Dredge
04-24-2019 1:46 AM


Re: Progressive Creation
ToE can't explain the Cambrian explosion, for starters.
Prove it. Proving a negative is always good for a laugh.
Whoopsie,, we have an explanation. There's a big difference between "have no explanation" and "have an explanation an ignoramus dislikes".

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Message 564 of 1385 (851410)
04-24-2019 8:34 AM
Reply to: Message 560 by Dredge
04-24-2019 1:49 AM


Re: Progressive Creation
And, given that soft bodies don't fossilize well, so what?

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JonF
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Message 590 of 1385 (851549)
04-28-2019 9:01 AM
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04-28-2019 2:29 AM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
Name some and quote their complaints.

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