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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
That seems to contradict what you've been saying all along. You've been drawing a false dichotomy of "rational" mind versus "animal" mind. I've been trying to point out that your rational mind often has - and SHOULD have - two or more opinions of its own. "It" is my addictive voice.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
I don't see where you've addressed this point at all. ringo writes:
... I've been trying to point out that your rational mind often has - and SHOULD have - two or more opinions of its own. Have you heard of the Supreme Court? They can deliver a dissenting opinion along with the majority opinion. Hopefully, both opinions are rational.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
That's a good thought. It may explain why God's mind could be changed from time to time in the Old Testament. Perhaps that's why God has both Jesus and The Holy Spirit on the committee.The majority opinion always wins, but there is always a third opinion that may see it from a different angle. And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Tangle writes:
The "all-knowing" bit is mostly made up by apologists, etc. The Old Testament doesn't portray God that way. Um...god is supposed to be all knowing - what's with this committee majority shit?And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
What does a rational mind work with if not evidence? Can Belief be rational if unevidenced? Sure, you can rationally make up a fictional story based on "fictional evidence" - but unless you can demonstrate that your "evidence" is not fictional, you can not pretend that your story is not fictional.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
I think the significant factor is that the Bible often isn't read. People like Faith, for example, only memorize what they are told it says. The story of the snake "lying" and mankind "falling" is an excellent example of something that is definitely not in the Bible. Consider in what context each book is read, however. Owned-but-not-read is considerably different from the way comic books are passed around to be read by many people each.
Phat writes:
I bought the Classics Illustrated comic book of Mutiny on the Bounty. I can't say I ever wanted to be Fletcher Christian (but you can probably picture me as a mutineer). I bought Spiderman to read when I was ten for 25 cents at the drug store. I never planned on doing anything but making believe that I was him. (sometimes I wanted to be Superman instead.)And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
It's what the Bible says. So why do the apologists all lie and why do Ringo and company tell the truth?And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
There is what the text says and there is what people wish it said. The apologists have an agenda. I don't. Obviously, not everyone agrees. Is there but one interpretation?And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
No need to speculate. Their agenda is to promote their phony theology.
Let's speculate. What might be their agenda? Phat writes:
The desire to promote their phony theology. And I noticed that you lumped them all together. What is it that "they" have in common? If you recall, we were talking specifically about the talking snake and the "Fall". They want to whitewash the fact that the snake told the truth and God lied. They want to whitewash the fact that mankind improved because of their "disobedience" to God - i.e. they learned to think for themselves. The apologist theology has no room for a God that can be wrong - but that doesn't tally with what the Bible actually says. So they have to pretend that the Bible "means" the opposite of what it says.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Porkncheese writes:
I don't believe you're old enough. Eg. I have a beard. Do u believe me?And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
As I've already said, I don't agree with the Rational Mind versus Animal Mind premise.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
As I said, the "rational mind" is not always of one mind. When we "rationalize" our bad habits, it's the rational mind that's doing it, not the "animal mind". What is it about the RR AVRT theory that your mind finds so illogical?And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Don't be cute. "We" means "we". We all have the same brain functions.
Again I ask the question. Who is "we"? Phat writes:
No need. "We" already includes me.
Rephrase what you just said and pretend that you are saying it to yourself. Phat writes:
You answer that question. How can we "allow" our rational mind to "allow" something? It's because our rational mind has two different opinions:
The next question would then be "Why am I allowing my rational mind to allow me to drink excessively? (for example)....1. Drinking, etc. is bad for me. And both opinions are right.
2. One little drink is not going to hurt me. Phat writes: Note the excuses that come up in your internal dialogue. There can not be an "internal dialogue" unless there are two (or more) rational entities to hold the dialogue. Your attempt to blame bad decisions on a "Beast" is the same as saying, "the Devil made me do it." The fact is that they are decisions and decisions are rational.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
No it doesn't. Both minds are rational. Scripture disagrees.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
But I'm not agreeing with you. I'm pointing out that the scripture you quoted agrees with me and disagrees with you. I think you like to argue with yourself, yet you end up agreeing.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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