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Faith 
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Message 1156 of 5796 (850436)
04-08-2019 12:16 AM
Reply to: Message 1155 by DrJones*
04-07-2019 10:34 PM


Re: More attacks on the nation
You Leftists really need a lesson in history, and reality too for that matter. Your head is stuffed full of racist prejudice, yes your own racist prejudice. You think on a really smallminded level, as do Leftists in general.

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Message 1157 of 5796 (850438)
04-08-2019 12:40 AM
Reply to: Message 1156 by Faith
04-08-2019 12:16 AM


Re: More attacks on the nation
Your head is stuffed full of racist prejudice, yes your own racist prejudice.
yes the person who thinks the enslavement of black people is a bad thing is the racist. You're a fucking idiot.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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Faith 
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Message 1158 of 5796 (850439)
04-08-2019 1:53 AM
Reply to: Message 1157 by DrJones*
04-08-2019 12:40 AM


Re: More attacks on the nation
No the person who is obsessed with destroying the reputations of anyone who happened to be a Confederate is the utterly depraved idiot who can't think beyond the narrow confines of PC and has no understanding of history and no respect whatever for people of another culture and time who are so much better and more intelligent than he is his little mind can't handle it.

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Faith 
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Message 1159 of 5796 (850440)
04-08-2019 1:54 AM
Reply to: Message 1147 by Percy
04-07-2019 2:08 PM


Re: More attacks on the nation
Say, I realized I left out Tucker Carlson and Bill Cunningham. Let's hear how your Leftist smear chart deals with Tucker Carlson.

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Message 1160 of 5796 (850443)
04-08-2019 9:19 AM
Reply to: Message 1150 by Faith
04-07-2019 6:29 PM


Re: More attacks on the nation
Faith writes:
Woah, is that list of talk show hosts a perfect example of Leftist fake news! What a perfect example of Leftist smears, and you accept it as fact.
The information in the table is from their Wikipedia pages.
You've probably never listened to a one of them.
I'm not supposed to have to. You're the one who introduced them into the discussio , so you're the one who's supposed to tell us what evidence they presented supporting the arguments you're making.
They are all upright good people who don't deserve such treatment,...
They don't deserve short summaries of their Wikipedia pages?
...and this kind of smear campaign against conservatives...
How is presenting information from their Wikipedia pages a smear campaign?
...is a main element of exactly what I mean by how the Left is going to bring down the country. The nation can't stand much more of this evil.
By evil you mean Wikipedia?
I may look up the claims later, but it hardly looks worth the time it's such a bunch of PC name calling which I know is all false.
Much of your problem is the things you know without looking them up.
Mark Levin has written some great books that you ought to take a look at: Men in Black, about the Supreme Court, Liberty and Tyranny, about how the Left is destroying the liberty this nation was founded on and replacing it with socialist tyranny, and his latest that is coming out in May: Unfreedom of the Press. Can't think of one I'm forgetting. Dare you to read any of them. But he's not the only one of the list to have written good books, it's just that I'm most interested in his at the moment. A couple of Michael Savage's sound good too though.
If you want to read these books and introduce their information into the discussion to support your arguments then I think that would be a good idea.
Reminds me of a fake news case that keeps going around about Trump though it is totally false: the idea that he supports white supremacists based on his statement in connection with the demonstration in Charlottesville that there are "good people on both sides." In context it is very clear he was talking about the issue of preserving or removing Confederate statues, not referring to the white supremacists or any person or group there at the moment.
People coming at the statue controversy from a perspective of historical preservation were not marching alongside groups chanting phrases like, "You shall not replace us" and "Blood and soil" (a Nazi phrase invoking their right to expand their territory into neighboring countries - the Nazi policy was known as "lebensraum", briefly, living space) and "The South will rise again" and "Hail Trump" (a reference to Heil Hitler) and "White lives matter." Historical preservationists *are* very fine people (in my own opinion since I'm one myself), and no doubt some were present, but not with the white supremacists and nationalists who any decent person (any "very fine people") would avoid. Historical preservationists were not the people chanting racist Nazi phrases and engaging in violence.
Trump's Charlottesville comments are just one piece of evidence of Trump racism. I've recounted the other evidence of Trump racism in past posts, for instance Message 128, Message 143 and Message 535.
But of course the fake news...
Your definition of fake news is news you don't like, not news that is untrue.
...persists because that's what the Left does, it has no interest in the truth, certainly no interest in respecting their political opponents and other human beings, only in smearing Trump and his supporters.
The only smearing and expressions of hate are coming from you. There's nothing inherently evil about conservative or liberal points of view. Trump, in his current incarnation, is a conservative, and there's nothing wrong with that. But he's also racist, bigoted, xenophobic, misogynistic, narcissistic, cruel, venal, vengeful, ignorant, amoral and dishonest. He is pathologically driven to tell lies, often for no reason, for instance recently about where his own father was born (the Bronx, by the way, not Germany).
Which is clearly also what the Leftists who wrote the descriptions of the talk show hosts also intended. There isn't a shred of truth in any of it, it just shows the evil character of those who wrote it.
Well let's be clear about who wrote those short summaries in the table: I did, using Wikipedia as a source.
You wanted examples of fake news, there's one, or actually more than one. You have a penchant for putting out quotes you treat as facts that are actually fake news,...
How can quoting what someone actually said, often in the form of a YouTube video of the actual person saying the actual words, be fake news? A quote or a video would seem the opposite of fake news. Do you have some examples of these supposedly fake quotes?
...as well as the evidence that supposedly supports them, a real inclination toward the Left I'd say.
Whatever the form of the evidence, I would hope that all people contributing here would argue from an evidence-based position.
Opinion and innuendo are where it starts.
Opinion, innuendo and disparagement are usually all your posts contain. They're pretty much fact free.
It's also where the Mueller probe started.
What became the Mueller probe began under former FBI Director James Comey when DNC emails began being leaked and Australian authorities informed the FBI that a couple of months earlier George Papadopoulos had told them that Russia had emails that would embarrass Hillary Clinton. Papadopoulos was a Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, so Comey initiated an investigation into possible links between Russia and the Trump campaign.
There was no criminal charge for them to investigate, which is the usual starting point for such an investigation, ...
You've got things backwards. In cases like this it is suspicious activity that initiates an investigation, not criminal charges. Criminal charges are a possible outcome of the investigation.
...it was all somebody's snarky statement based on nothing whatever, that Trump must have colluded with Russia.
I don't know what "snarky statement" you're referring to, but a Trump campaign adviser knowing two months in advance about Russian email hacking of the DNC is not "nothing whatever." Interestingly, "nothing whatever" is what Papadopoulos did when the Russians informed him about hacking the DNC, instead of informing the FBI.
I think it may have come from Hillary...
Again, the origins of the Mueller investigation trace back to Trump campaign foreign policy adviser George Papadopoulos.
...who is in fact the real colluder with Russia which I hope will eventually be exposed for all to see.
You can't collude with someone you have no contact with:
  • Trump campaign: 17 officials and advisers had more than 100 contacts with Russians.
  • Clinton campaign: No contact with Russians.
So Mueller himself said there was no collusion with Russia on Trump's part or anyone in his campaign...
How many times do you have to be reminded that the Mueller report is not yet public - no one outside the Justice Department could possibly know what "Mueller himself said." We only have Attorney General William Barr's 4-page summary of the principle findings, which does include a couple brief quotes from the Mueller report, one about collusion:
quote:
“[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”
Mueller doesn't say the Trump Campaign was cleared, only that conspiracy or coordination was not established. There's plenty of evidence already in the public domain about contacts between the Trump Campaign and Russia, and the Mueller report likely contains more or at least more detail, but because of the high bar in proving conspiracy Mueller apparently decided to level no criminal charges.
...and now the Left can't give up the idea that has dominated their thinking for over two years and has to go to great lengths to "prove" that somebody is lying because there must have been collusion.
It's already been proven that "somebody is lying," and they're going to jail. Some have already gone to jail or been sentenced, like Paul Manafort, George Papadopoulos and Alex van der Zwaan. If the over 100 Russian contacts were all innocent, why do all Trump campaign people lie about them?
Such as the Trump tower event which you mentioned. Don't you think Mueller covered that? If he thought it involved collusion he would have said so.
Since no one's read the Mueller report, how do you know it doesn't say that the Trump Tower meeting likely involved collusion but that the available evidence isn't enough to carry the day in court?
Oh and somebody who ought to know, a political leader from New York, said not to expect the judicial efforts there to show anything against Trump either.
I'll see your "political leader from New York" (Rudolf Giuliani?) and raise you Chris Christie, former governor of New Jersey and former Trump Campaign official, who has repeatedly stated that Trump has much more to fear from the Southern District of New York than from the Mueller investigation.
I have a brief description of my idea of fake news on the fossil thread earlier too: Message 23.
If you'd like to introduce anything from that message into this thread then go right ahead.
I agree I'm bad at producing sources and evidence but there is some.
I don't agree that you're bad at providing sources, but you are very bad at providing evidence. That's not your fault, though, because you can't provide something that doesn't exist.
...but how dare you produce that list of character assassinations and tell me I have to produce evidence against it. How dare you.
The information comes from their Wikipedia pages, and you misunderstood my point, which was that the sources you provided are not sources of fact but of opinion, but that to the extent that they do provide facts that it is your job to introduce those facts into the discussion.
You claim you aren't on the Left, but you are a shill for the Left at least. Yuck.
You can't seem to keep your emotions and your politics separate.
--Percy

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DrJones*
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Message 1161 of 5796 (850445)
04-08-2019 9:52 AM
Reply to: Message 1158 by Faith
04-08-2019 1:53 AM


Re: More attacks on the nation
No the person who is obsessed with destroying the reputations of anyone who happened to be a Confederate
oh please Faith you're always whining about the "enemy of the people" and here you are bending over backwards to defend literal enemies of your country.
no respect whatever for people of another culture and time
what kind of person would respect someone who fought to preserve the institution of slavery?
Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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dwise1
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Message 1162 of 5796 (850449)
04-08-2019 11:36 AM
Reply to: Message 1160 by Percy
04-08-2019 9:19 AM


Re: More attacks on the nation
Good thorough and thoughtful reply. We know that Faith will never read it.
For example, she will completely ignore these very important facts:
Faith writes:
So Mueller himself said there was no collusion with Russia on Trump's part or anyone in his campaign...
How many times do you have to be reminded that the Mueller report is not yet public - no one outside the Justice Department could possibly know what "Mueller himself said." We only have Attorney General William Barr's 4-page summary of the principle findings, which does include a couple brief quotes from the Mueller report, one about collusion:
quote:
“[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”
Mueller doesn't say the Trump Campaign was cleared, only that conspiracy or coordination was not established. There's plenty of evidence already in the public domain about contacts between the Trump Campaign and Russia, and the Mueller report likely contains more or at least more detail, but because of the high bar in proving conspiracy Mueller apparently decided to level no criminal charges.
So far, all we know about what the Mueller report says comes solely from Barr's summary. Using the link to Barr's summary that DrJones* gave to Faith in Message 1067 at 28-Mar-2019 5:24 PM (and to which she never replied), https://www.nytimes.com/...s/barr-letter-mueller-report.html, I find that the word "collusion" is never used. Never, not even once.
Conspiracy and coordination require definite agreements, actions, and explicit communication between the parties involved. Collusion does not. Barr was explicit about conspiracy and coordination, but did not say one word about collusion.
Here again is what Barr wrote, including his quote from the report and the accompanying footnote:
quote:
As the report states: “[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”1
-----------------------------------
1 In assessing potential conspiracy charges, the Special Counsel also considered whether members of the Trump campaign “coordinated” with Russian election interference activities. The Special Counsel defined “coordination” as an “agreement”tacit or express”between the Trump Campaign and the Russian government on election interference.”
Barr does discuss at length that Mueller did not come to any conclusions regarding Trump's obstruction of justice, leaving that to others (eg, DOJ, Congress) to determine, undoubtedly using the evidence provided in the report. Again, not talking about collusion.
Barr also quoted Mueller about whether his investigation exonerates Trump:
quote:
The Special Counsel states that “while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.”
So then just who was it who declared that the Mueller report completely exonerated Trump? Mueller didn't, neither did Barr; those two are our only sources who have read the report and they both explicitly state that the report does not exonerate Trump.
Oh, yeah, it was Trump himself, the Perpetual Liar, who immediately declared that Mueller's report completely exonerated him. And of course the Fake News Network (including "Fakes and Friends", no doubt) immediately repeated Trump's new lie as Gospel, giving Trump a source and more fodder for Fakes creating a positive-feedback loop (which any beginning engineering student knows is unstable and leads to oscillations that could end up tearing the system apart).
But of course Faith will never read that either.

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ringo
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Message 1163 of 5796 (850451)
04-08-2019 11:45 AM
Reply to: Message 1154 by Faith
04-07-2019 10:08 PM


Re: More attacks on the nation
Faith writes:
Robert E. Lee was no Hitler.
Neither was Rommel, but he was still on the wrong side.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Faith 
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Message 1164 of 5796 (850454)
04-08-2019 3:07 PM
Reply to: Message 1163 by ringo
04-08-2019 11:45 AM


Re: More attacks on the nation
Comparing any American leader to a Nazi is beyond disgusting.
I read up on Lee. Turns out he didn't like memorials and the statue of him was put up after his death by white supremacists. For that reason I would be happy to see it come down, but not because of anything in his character that deserves to be expunged from history. I am sick to death of the Left's PC accusations of racism and other slurs on good Americans. Lee was a typical racist of his time and while there's no excuse for that now, it's typical Leftist smallmindedness to attack him for that so many years in the past. Leftists have no grace, their ideology is indeed smallminded, they are teenyminded, pea-brained moral midgets. They have the self-righteous arrogance to attack people who are their moral and intellectual betters by multiples of a hundred. It is hard to believe the nation has sunk to this level of idiocy.
Again, Trump was talking about the general issue of preserving or trashing the history of the South, and said nothing whatever about white supremacists: that's just typical Leftist fake news. This kind of thing is about all that will fit in their teeny little heads.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Faith 
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Message 1165 of 5796 (850455)
04-08-2019 3:12 PM
Reply to: Message 1162 by dwise1
04-08-2019 11:36 AM


Re: More attacks on the nation
Mueller would have corrected anything in Barr's statement that didn't fairly represent the conclusions of his report. The way Barr's statement is twisted is just typical Leftist idiocy.

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DrJones*
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Message 1166 of 5796 (850456)
04-08-2019 3:12 PM
Reply to: Message 1164 by Faith
04-08-2019 3:07 PM


Re: More attacks on the nation
They have the self-righteous arrogance to attack people who are their moral and intellectual betters by multiples of a hundred
I've never owned slaves, that puts me wayyyyyyyyyyyyy above Robert E Lee and any other confederate shitbags in terms of morals.
trashing the history of the South,
it's not the history of the south, it's the history of the confederacy and the history of the Confederacy is the institution of slavery and the oppression of black people, fuck anybody who would try to defend that.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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Faith 
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Message 1167 of 5796 (850457)
04-08-2019 3:16 PM
Reply to: Message 1160 by Percy
04-08-2019 9:19 AM


Re: More attacks on the nation
Wikipedia has simply joined in the attack on conservatives like most of the internet and the media, nothing new there. Treating that vile list of PC attacks on conservatives as factual just confirms your position on the Left.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Faith 
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Message 1168 of 5796 (850458)
04-08-2019 3:18 PM
Reply to: Message 1166 by DrJones*
04-08-2019 3:12 PM


Re: More attacks on the nation
You can stop any time with your history-killing pea-brained Leftist talking points.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 1169 of 5796 (850459)
04-08-2019 3:25 PM
Reply to: Message 1168 by Faith
04-08-2019 3:18 PM


Re: More attacks on the nation
as soon as you stop your defence of white supremacy.

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ringo
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Message 1170 of 5796 (850460)
04-08-2019 3:25 PM
Reply to: Message 1164 by Faith
04-08-2019 3:07 PM


Re: More attacks on the nation
Faith writes:
Comparing any American leader to a Nazi is beyond disgusting.
Comparing slave owners to decent people is beyond disgusting. Defending slave owners is beyond disgusting.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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