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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Blech. "Decent people." Meaning of course you Leftists? Blech, disgusting self-aggrandizement at the expense of people far better than you..
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5949 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5 |
Mueller would have corrected anything in Barr's statement that didn't fairly represent the conclusions of his report. Well, Mueller did not write Barr's summary letter, Barr did. So how could Mueller have corrected Barr's letter before it was released? That would be like saying that I would have corrected your message before you posted it. We are being told that Mueller is involving in Barr's redacting of the report, but I don't know how much of that to believe since Barr had pimped himself out to Trump in order to get the job so that he could be in a position to do a cover-up for Trump. And we do have members of Mueller team voicing their objections to Barr's letter saying that it misrepresents what the report said. They also wrote their own summaries for each section of the report that could be released to the public without redacting, yet Barr is busy redacting even them.
The way Barr's statement is twisted is just typical Leftist idiocy. Just read the summary letter for yourself! For the third time, here is the link to actual text of the Barr's actual letter: https://www.nytimes.com/...s/barr-letter-mueller-report.html Just as you can watch Trump's statements and actions for yourself, you can read that letter for yourself. Of course you will never do that, because you are terrified that you might learn the truth.
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Faith writes: Wikipedia has simply joined in the attack on conservatives like most of the internet and the media, nothing new there. Treating that vile list of PC attacks on conservatives as factual just confirms your position on the Left. There's nothing inherently wrong with conservatism, and there's no general attack on conservatives. You just happened to list a bunch of chaps (and one chapette) who, I suppose in the interest of ratings and building an audience, tend to tell tall tales that appeal to a certain demographic. I have no allegiance to either the left or right, but I *am* averse to fibbers. --Percy
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Just more self deception on your part. That is a Leftist smear chart.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Oh don't be a total idiot. If Barr misstated any of Mueller's findings Mueller would have publicly corrected him BY NOW. Sheesh.
Sure we now have members of Mueller's team pretending that the report is more critical of Trump. What else would the Leftists on his team say, the Leftists that worked for Hillary's campaign by the way. It's just the usual insinuations and innuendo to smear Trump. Even when the report is made available and it is clear there is nothing more there than Barr's statement says this will never stop. Facts don't matter, just insinuations are enough. Fake news. Character assassination. The Left is evil to the core. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
dwise1 writes: Mueller would have corrected anything in Barr's statement that didn't fairly represent the conclusions of his report.
Well, Mueller did not write Barr's summary letter, Barr did. So how could Mueller have corrected Barr's letter before it was released? That would be like saying that I would have corrected your message before you posted it. I think Faith meant that Mueller's office would have released a statement had Barr incorrectly summarized his report, similar to how they released a correcting statement about BuzzFeed's report back in January that Trump had directed Michael Cohen to lie to Congress. But Faith's position has several fatal problems:'
--Percy Edited by Percy, : Grammar.
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Faith writes: Just more self deception on your part. That is a Leftist smear chart. Really? You mean, for example and to start at the top of the chart, that Mark Levin isn't a deep state conspiracy theorist (he prefers the term administrative state, but it is the same thing)? On his show on February 20 of this year he said "In March of 2017 this program deduced from the media leaks that a rogue operation within our own government was working to prevent, and then remove, a President of the United States." Don't you believe that, too, that there's a deep state conspiracy to get rid of Donald Trump as president? So rather than being a smear, calling Mark Levine a deep state conspiracy theorist is just accurate. --Percy
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5949 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5
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Quite correct.
Barr is Mueller's boss, and it's usually considered extremely bad form to issue public corrections of your boss. Robert Mueller is a Marine and he was a Marine Corps officer (captain). I say "is a Marine", because "Once a Marine, always a Marine." Military service instills a set of values in us, especially where our country is concerned. One of those values is exercising the chain-of-command. You do not go around the chain-of-command except in the most extreme situations, and even then you will be held accountable for such a transgression. It is not just "extremely bad form"; it is a transgression of the bases of military organization and order. As such, going around Barr to make a public statement would go completely against Mueller's nature. There's a well-known word for someone who circumvents the chain-of-command, whistle-blower. As long as there are honorable options available, I cannot see Mueller being a whistle-blower. The first option I see would be for Mueller to advise Barr in the release of the report and for Barr to accept his advice in good faith. Failing at that, the second option I see would be for Mueller to request Barr to let him write and issue a dissenting statement. Failing at that as well, the third option I see is for Congress to call Mueller in to testify. This is the most likely option to be taken, as we can already see members of congress calling for it. Should all that fail, we still have Congress ready to subpoena Barr for the full unredacted report. And should all that fail, there's still SCPO Malcolm Nance's scenario of a truck dropping the Mueller report in front of the Washington Post in the middle of the night. (reference to the Pentagon Papers)
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5949 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5 |
Oh don't be a total idiot. Stop looking in the mirror!
If Barr misstated any of Mueller's findings Mueller would have publicly corrected him BY NOW. Mueller is a Marine! He will not violate the chain-of-command unless it becomes absolutely necessary. It is not in his nature to be a whistle-blower. We all know far too well how completely ignorant you are about how anything at all works, but you're just being a blithering, willfully stupid idiot! What Mueller will do next depends on upcoming events, you idiot! He needs to see just exactly what Barr redacts before he can know what important information Barr will try to hide. The important issue is whether Barr will work with Congress to release the full report to them, since they will need that information and evidence in their investigations. And in the end, Congress is certain to call Mueller in to testify about his report. That would be the proper venue for Mueller to speak out. And we have not yet gotten there. So then you'll be happy when Mueller testifies, right?
Sure we now have ... {blah, blah, blah, Fake News Network bullshit lies, blah, blah, blah} . Fake news. Character assassination. The Left is evil to the core. Stop projectile vomiting Fake News Network bullshit lies! Or at the very least clean up the mess you leave. And you still have not read Barr's letter. For the fourth time, you can read it for yourself at https://www.nytimes.com/...s/barr-letter-mueller-report.html. Do so! You claim that the Mueller report completely exonerates Trump. Show us! Quote exactly in Barr's letter that he says that the Mueller report exonerates Trump. Don't forget to include this part:
quote: Show us! Or admit that you are wrong. You claim that the Mueller report finds that Trump and his campaign did not collude with Russia. Show us! Quote exactly in Barr's letter that he says that there was no collusion. For that matter, quote exactly in Barr's letter where he even mentions collusion! Show us! Or admit that you are wrong. We all know that Barr pimped himself to Trump with bad legal arguments (so bad they make other lawyers' eye roll) for clearing Trump of charges of obstruction of justice (even though we all have watched Trump repeatedly obstruct justice in plain sight -- well maybe not you since the Fake News Network would never report any of that). That's why he got the AG job, so that he can protect Trump and fix the problems that Trump keeps creating. Reading Barr's summary letter we see that most of it addresses obstruction-of-justice issues. And I have no doubt that his top priority in redacting Mueller's report is to hide all the evidence of obstruction of justice that he can.
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
The Bible makes an attempt at defining decent people: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." If you don't want to be a slave, don't own slaves. "Decent people." Meaning of course you Leftists?And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The Bible says we are all sinners, period. But people who put themselves above others on the basis of PC, or on any basis, essentially denying that they themselves are sinners but other people are really really bad, are definitely not decent people.
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
So you would have us put up statues to murderers and rapists and child molesters because, after all, we are no better than they are? The Bible says we are all sinners, period. But people who put themselves above others on the basis of PC, or on any basis, essentially denying that they themselves are sinners but other people are really really bad, are definitely not decent people. You're being dishonest.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I'm talking about how the Left self-righteously judges others, not suggesting anything at all about statues. The self-righteousness of the Left iin its zeal to destroy the character of others of better character than themselves, as I have no doubt that Les is better than you, is beyond disgusting.
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
You're spewing hate.
I'm talking about how the Left self-righteously judges others, not suggesting anything at all about statues. Faith writes:
Nobody is trying to destroy Lee's character. It was what it was. All of your talk about some people being "better" than others says more about your character than mine. The self-righteousness of the Left iin its zeal to destroy the character of others of better character than themselves, as I have no doubt that Les is better than you, is beyond disgusting.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Phat Member Posts: 18310 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
ringo, replying to Faith writes: All I know is that the Bible clearly says that all have sinned and that none are righteous. It makes no references to right vs left except in the Sheep & Goats Judgement. Evidently behavior of the individual counts more than political ideology. All of your talk about some people being "better" than others says more about your character than mine.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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