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Faith writes: We knew he meant that in the end it would be economically disadvantageous to Mexico in various ways and that's how they would pay for it. That's a bare-faced lie. Wow. How fucked-up can a mind get. Rationalising away events that happened millions of years ago is one thing, doing the same about stuff that happened over and over again a few months ago that was televised is just plain lying.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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There's a lot going on in your post Percy, some of it's a bit off but the thing you're missing is similar to what happened in the US with Trump - a successful appeal to a very large number of not very educated and very pissed off people who felt that they weren't being listened or even given a voice. It was a lashing out against politics generally.
That and a cut back in all social services and a reduction in wages for pretty much every worker in the Uk over the last ten years caused by the 2008 financial collapse made it almost inevitable that the there'd be a knee jerk. That's not surprising, what is, that a referendum was allowed in the first place. That was unbelievably stupid. The best thing about this vote today is that the chances of a second vote is improved. A bit.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Phat writes: I hope im not racist but i likely have unconscious hangups. Everyone is racist, it's the way we're built. But knowing that helps fight it.
There is no reason that i should be vilified because of the behavior of my ancestors...although some racism does exist in our society and much of comes from populists. That made me laugh again. You realise that the whole 'sins of my father' thing is what your entire religion is based on....Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Ringo writes: Our politicians are always going on about creating "good" jobs. Why don't they care about making the "bad" jobs better? If the working conditions were better and the pay was better, yes your grocery bill would be higher but you'd save a lot of money on walls too. 'cos that ain't the 'merican way. That would mean government intervention in the free market. I was in Reykjavic a while ago and tried to tip the hotel staff, they declined politely and told me that they are very well paid and don't need tips. It's a different culture. To a visitor though, it's an incredibly expensive place.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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For what it's worth, I think both sides are wrong in the way they're arguing what this finding means.
Trump is wrong in saying that the accusations were groundless and a conspiracy of the Democrats and the Democrats are wrong to continue to claim that Trump is somehow guilty of something regardless of the outcome of the investigation. The fact is that he was investigated because there was evidence but that there was not enough of it nor was it compelling enough to lead to a charge that had a better than even chance of succeeding to convince a jury beyond reasonable doubt. That's what it looks like from this distance anyway.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Sure, that's what democrats say.
Never-the-less, Trump will not face any charges and the democrats will bleat pointlessly about it. Time to move on. Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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I do not deny anything said in the last two posts. Never-the-less, and again, Trump will not be charged and no amount of rationalisation and regret will change that.
I have no feeling that the investigation was materially flawed or corrupt so it's time to move on.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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It's rather hard to imagine that there is evidence in the full version of the report sufficient to provide for a prosecution when the author of it tells us that there is not. Sounds like desperation to me.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Phat writes: Because personally, I feel that our conversations are entertaining. If such a conversation was uninterrupted, it would provide infotainment to our brethren and sistren. If it was anything like your last one, I'd throw up. Again.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith writes: The Bible says we are all sinners, period. Well it should know, the alleged author created the sinners.
But people who put themselves above others on the basis of PC, or on any basis, essentially denying that they themselves are sinners but other people are really really bad, are definitely not decent people. Well given that we're all fallible sinners we have fallibilities. But you know, I think my fallibilities are less than murderers and rapists and what's more I think I have a moral responsibility to not only say so, but also support the institutions we've built to defend against such people.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith writes: Oh learn something for a change. This has been answered umpteen zillion times by now. God created everything perfect. Sin entered later and is the cause of all the problems in the world, including death and disease and then the Flood. Your God created evil too and allowed it to 'enter'. Quite a trickster, not so perfect it seems to me.
quote: Oh you have the right but it's pretty disgusting to put yourself above people like Robert E. Lee. I have nothing to say about Robert E Lee.
And what's the point in beating your chest over not being a murderer? You were suggesting that we sinners are equally sinful, I'm pointing out that we are not.
Shouldn't we be saying There but for the grace of God go I? God has nothing to do with me not being a murderer.
And if you don't know you are just as likely to have been a murderer as anyone else you are really missing the point. You're going to have to explain that - but be careful, you're heading for a fall.
But I guess fallen humanity can't help putting other people down. It's just that there's something particularly disgusting about the Left's ideological putdowns. So you don't think you're better than a murderer? Yet you believe in capital punishment. How does that work?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
There was a cartoon of Jesus saying 'let he who is without sin cast the first stone' and a stone comes flying in from the crowd hitting the victim. He turns round to see who threw it and says 'mum, sometimes you really piss me off'.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith writes: Jesus was telling believers to "love one another as I have loved you." Yes we are to love everybody but this was a special commandment to be obeyed among the believers only. Wow, what a preposterous corruption of his message. Have you forgotten the Good Samaritan? How come it takes an atheist to point out that Jesus' message of love was meant for EVERYONE?
quote: Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith writes: The phrase "one another" refers to the disciples. Jesus's message of love was meant to be universal otherwise it's meaningless.
quote: Forgotten the Good Samaritan have we? Forgotten that you are meant to love even your enemies?
quote: Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Faith writes: There's no point in saying it again. You are ignorant of Christian theology and nothing I say is going to change your mind. How can I be wrong, I'm quoting from your book?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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