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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Of course. But the point is not about the consequences. It's that a rational mind doesn't arrive one and only one opinion.
I would argue that the scripture clearly says that having (or holding) two minds (or two opinions) at the same time makes one unstable. Phat writes:
Who said they agree? The whole point is that they don't agree. But my point was that this whole nonsense of having two different minds which agree...And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
You're confusing rational with correct. A rational thought process doesn't necessarily produce The Right Answer. In fact, there often is no "right answer".
I would tell the emotionally immature brain cells that while it may be true that they promise one little drink, evidence shows that it often leads to 3, 4, or even 5 drinks. Given that new information, can both opinions still be rational? Phat writes:
How can you lie if you're not rational? Keep in mind that RR theory states that the Addictive Voice will lie to you in order to have its way.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
I asked the question, How can you lie if you're not rational? Next question...have you ever lied to yourself in order to rationalize an irrational behavior? It's the rational mind that's doing the lying. The irrational mind doesn't necessarily enter into it at all.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
There you go. "The Beast' is a rational voice. The devil never makes anyone do anything, but he is quite good at mimicking my own rational voice. Edited by ringo, : No reason given.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Decisions are rational.
Is it rational to get drunk often? Is it rational to gamble money that belongs in a retirement account or to give out as spare change? Is it rational to pursue a relationship with a beautiful stranger when you know that you only like her for how she makes you feel? Phat writes:
OF COURSE it does. Rationalizing something doesn't make it right, or good. That's WHY we rationalize it. But the only way to rationalize anything is rationally. It's right there in the word.
Rationalizing something does NOT make it rational or sound. Phat writes:
I can rationalize God... or leprechauns or Martians or ghosts or unicorns or Bigfoot or the Loch Ness monster. You may never be able to rationalize God.... Don't confuse rational with real.
Phat writes:
I think belief can be rational. But see above: Don't confuse rational with real.
Perhaps you could successfully argue that belief in God is not rational. Phat writes:
I don't think I did. First, a rational argument doesn't have to be "well" thought out; it just has to be thought out. Second, an argument can be rational without giving the right answer. ... you insisted that every well thought-out argument contrary to rationality is itself rational. Edited by ringo, : No reason given.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
But that is not the question we're discussing here. Whatever may cause that impulse, it is not the only influence on the rational mind. The rational mind often disagrees with itself, which is what I'm trying to tell you. The question then becomes whether or not that spark of divinity is the result of a decision or the "bad burrito" effects of an impulsive moment.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
That's like asking, "Should humans be eight feet tall with x-ray vision?" Why not just stick with what is and not speculate about what "should" be?
”Should the rational mind behave in such a manner? Phat writes:
Certainly not. Evolution "chooses" what works. Having a variety of options is an advantage for survival. If Columbus had thought the "only way" to get to India was to swim the Atlantic, he would have been weeded out of the gene pool.
Would not evolution and the human quest for enlightenment seek to minimize such internal discord? Phat writes:
Looking at history, it doesn't seem to work that way. With the President that you guys have now - and the people who voted for him - it looks like you (we) might well be headed backwards to another Dark Age.
Would not our better impulses and long-range decisions tend to improve our cognitive development? Phat writes:
I think there is. Is there a general consensus as to what constitutes rationality? And let me repeat, since you seem resistant to the idea, that rational does not mean right. Even Trump's supporters are rational, for the most part. It's hard to even say that their reasoning is wrong. It's their values that are messed up.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
That's an assertion. Go ahead and make an argument. I would argue that not all decisions are rational. Some are impulsive.All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
If it's so obvious, tell us what it is. Make an argument. it is obvious.All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
The issue here is whether or not decisions are rational. Lets start with the definitions. How would you make a decision without using reason? An impulse is not a decision; it's a reaction or a reflex.
Phat writes:
Nobody is disputing that. What I'm saying is that an addicts brain is "wired" to make bad decisions, not to not make decisions at all. In addition, science has verified the patterns in an addictive brain that differ from those in a normal brain.All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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