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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 675 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Piffle.
Not to mention pish and tosh and the like.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17167 Joined: Member Rating: 3.6
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That’s your usual reaction to the truth.
But tell me how you can seriously expect us to take “sharper claws†as a major difference between cats and dogs while denying any similarly “impressive†difference between trilobite species ? How about the proboscis on this fellow ? Why doesn’t that count if “sharper claws†does ?
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 675 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Yes, which is not exactly news to me. But I'm one creationist against what, a dozen, hidebound believers in the ToE which makes the contest extremely unbalanced. I suppose I just shouldn't be here at all.
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 675 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
CUZ all cats have sharp claws, with a slight exception for the cheetah I guess, whereas singular characteristics aren't structural IMHO.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17167 Joined: Member Rating: 3.6 |
quote: All the species in that genus have similar structures. And structures are surely structural - while minor differences are surely superficial. And I must say that I really really don’t think that you’d accept a small difference between trilobite Families as “structural†rather than “superficial†- even if the differing trait was found in every species in the Family.
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ooh-child Member (Idle past 134 days) Posts: 242 Joined:
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Interesting that you see this as a contest. I see quite a few people who have spent their entire careers, sometimes, studying this subject. And their Job-like patience in trying to work with you, to bring you along if only to correct your misuse of words, is impressive to a lay person like me. In response to their offer of help, you refuse to even study the subject you are opining on. You 'piffle' and poo-poo even the thought of actually, you know, getting some hands on experience. Even someone who professes Christianity knows not everything is as it 'looks' or 'seems'.
I really wish you would learn something sometime, but at least I'm getting the benefit of your willful refusal to listen to these folks. Stay or go, your choice.
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Taq Member Posts: 8519 Joined: Member Rating: 3.5 |
Then how are humans able to survive with 40 million differences compared to the chimp genome?
But you just said that adding the 40 million mutations that separates humans from chimps would make a chimp from the human genome. How do you explain this?
Again, how are humans able to live with 40 million mutations compared to the chimp genome?
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 675 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I'm a creationist, I'm objecting to the ToE, capiche? I'm not impressed with the "Job-like" patience of people who believe something I object to so strenuously. Why would you expect me to? Sometimes I do get useful information from my opponents, however.
Your apparent certainty that I need "help" is of course a measure of your faith in the ToE. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 675 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You think those forty million differences are mutations, I do not. That much ought to be clear from everything I've said. I think the differences are built in from Creation. Mutations don't do much of any value where they do occur.
We have a disagreement about what I meant. I was only saying that IF you could get a chimp genome from a human genome you'd get a chimp. But I don't think it's possible at all, and mutations certainly couldn't do it.
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ooh-child Member (Idle past 134 days) Posts: 242 Joined:
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I never would expect you to, not after our years here together. Why would you think I'd expect that of you? Odd. No, what I expect of you is to continue blindly believing you know oh-so-much more than your betters here. And cherry picking information to be used in your arsenal of ignorance is straight out of the right-wing media playbook. Carry on.
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 675 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You are too kind I'm sure.
However, I'm a creationist and my thoughts are creationist, I reject the ToE. I don't claim to know more than they, but I do claim to be a creationist and I'm trying to think like a creationist and if evos are wrong they are wrong.
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Taq Member Posts: 8519 Joined: Member Rating: 3.5 |
You have already stated that they will have the same effect, so there is no difference between them.
Show me the differences between the human and chimp genomes that natural processes could not produce, and the reasoning you used to reach that conclusion. For example, this comparison of chimp and human mmp9
There is a mutation in that protein sequence (LGRFQ vs. LGKFQ). Could you explain how the known natural processes of mutation that we see in every generation could not produce that difference? Edited by Taq, : No reason given.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5062 Joined: Member Rating: 2.7
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Questa parola non si scrive in questo modo! Si scrive come "(Tu) capisci?" o "(Lei) capisce". "Che" è pronunciato come "que" in spagnolo. Impari un po' del idioma, per favore! Capisce?
IOW, you are a hidebound creationist terrified of dealing with the evidence because it contradicts your creationist beliefs.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5062 Joined: Member Rating: 2.7 |
The "Stan Lee Effect" is strong in this one. You latch onto a "sciencey sounding" word and, without understanding anything about it, use it to make your end product (eg, a comic book) sound "sciencey."
Yeah. One thing you overlooked is that that basic body structure controlled by essentially the same HOX genes belong to all tetrapods. That means that your imagined "cat kind" and your imagined "dog kind" have essentially the same HOX genes. As do bears. As do other mammals. As do reptiles. As do amphibians. IOW, as do all tetrapods. HOX genes are not unique to any single "basic created kind" that you would wish to construct ad hoc, but rather they show that all those "kinds" are related to each other. And they are just one source of evidence. If you follow the evidence, you will clearly see where it leads. But you are a hidebound creationist whose only possible response is to blind yourself to the evidence, because that's the only way you can possibly support your false creationist position and false assertions.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5062 Joined: Member Rating: 2.7 |
Parte Deux
In Message 209 I stated:
Do the name "Michael Denton" ring a bell?* He is/was an MD with a PhD in biochemistry who for some reason felt uncomfortable about evolution and, purportedly inspired by "intelligent design" proponents, wrote an anti-evolution book, Evolution: A Theory in Crisis. That book sparked many conversations which revealed to Denton that he knew a lot less about evolution than he thought he did, yet Wikipedia still reports that he's a senior fellow at the Discovery Institute. Wikipedia also reports: quote: Denton's book contains an example of what happens when you follow the evidence, namely that you arrive at the only possible answer. I last posted this a couple years ago in Message 128. In his book (page 284), Denton tries to attack evolution through patterns in protein comparisons. His problem was that he was using typical creationist "Ladder of Life" reasoning instead of Darwinian branching. I should point out here that most creationists also fall victim to "Ladder of Life" reasoning, which is most definitely false. The comparisons under "Ladder of Life" make no sense, but then when he used a branching model, which is what evolution actually teaches, then all the protein comparisons fell into place. Despite Denton's wishes, the evidence still pointed the right way. Although I got this from a Creation/Evolution Newsletter article, I did refer directly to my copy of Denton's book to write this. Here's what I wrote: quote: Of course, presenting that to you, Faith, is casting pearls before swine (a bad habit of mine that my minister tried to warn me about, especially when dealing with religiously bigoted idiots like Boy Scouts of America, Incorporated). But while you will eternally remain willfully ignorant and stupid, there is a chance that lurkers will still learn something. ------------------------------------------ FOOTNOTE *: The TV show continued to play as I was growing up. I remember being confused about the title, since all the stories were instead about the Kingfish and his dodgy relationship with his wife whose favorite perfume was called, "Manslaugher". Edited by dwise1, : footnote
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