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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: You mean you knew that I would point out the fact that the Flood cannot account for the order.
quote: Obviously your ideas about the Flood can be wrong (and are wrong) and there is nothing irrational in the idea of different creatures living at different times. Even Old Earth Creationists accept that.
quote: First, the evidence says that we did get mammals from reptiles. Second, while evolution makes more sense of the order - giving us reasons for the order - even without it we would still have a better explanation than you.
quote: In reality the evidence shows plenty of evolution among the trilobites. The fact that you ignore the evidence doesn’t change that. But thanks for proving that you are wasting your intellect.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4411 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
Faith writes: And the huge variety of trilobites over what are thought to be hundreds of millions of years just adds another kind of argument: there is no evolution over all those hmy, just variations on the Trilobite species/genome. This is still just as fucking stupid as claiming all insects are the same species.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Insects are not all the same species but trilobites are.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: Your wilful ignorance doesn’t change the fact that trilobites are many, many species.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Trilobites are clearly all variations on one species programmed by the trilobite genome, like varieties of dogs that all come from the dog genome.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: Given the variation in trilobites - as shown in previous discussion - that obviously isn’t the case.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Sorry, you can't refer to previous posts without repeating their contents. That's just obfuscation.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
There is no actual evidence that mammals came from reptiles. And when you try to figure out how many trials it would take before you got an ear arrangement even remotely similar to the mammalian ear from the reptilian you ought to see that the sheer numbers defeat the whole idea.
Anyway, it's clear that the whole fossil record "evidence" for evolution is a pipe dream. The very idea that time, hundreds of millions of years of time, sorted itself into separate stacks of sediments containing particular life forms that fossilized, is nonsensical. One "time period" of millions or hundreds of millions of years, is identified by, say, nothing but sandstone, another by, say, nothing but limestone, another by shale, and some by mixtures of sediments, you find them illustrated and labeled as time periods, such as "Devonian" or "Permian" or "Jurassic" or whatnot so don't tell me I'm confusing the time scale with the geological column, they are thoroughly well confused all over the internet without my help. And of course the idea is utterly nonsensical. Not to mention that if you try to figure out how a given layer of sediment formed in the time period in question you can't do it, it's impossible. Such nice neat layers too, with nice neat separation from the sedimentary layers above and below. Supposedly formed over multiplied millions of years. But I'm just a stupid creationist so you can pretend I'm not saying anything. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: Except that you do that all the time. e.g. Message 535 Try Message 2269. Those two trilobites are certainly NOT obviously the same species.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You're right, I'll try to shape up.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4411 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
Faith writes: Insects are not all the same species but trilobites are. Says the Silly Lumper. There is a comparable levels of diversity in both Class Insecta and Class Trilobita. It is shocking that a great taxonomist such as yourself doesn't know that, after a lifetime of intense study of Arthropods! It is interesting that we see similar patterns of variation on similar single features like appendages, mouth parts, and eyes, but also very similar levels of variation on the overall body plan. This indicates that different species of Trilobites were specialists in many different habitats, a pattern we see in modern and fossil insects. I know you didn't know any of this, from what you have said, but that undercuts your credibility as any sort of authority on the subject. Just think how much better your arguments would be if you actually knew anything about the subject. I can highly recommend Trilobite, Eyewitness to EvolutionWhat if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You fail to take into account that the scientists who study these things are first of all dedicated to the ToE which colors how they think about all these things, and if the ToE is wrong, which of course it is, they are being misled. It isn't as if they approach their study without bias. I'm not so hampered. However, if I run across a seriously different trilobite body plan I may have cause to rethink things.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4411 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
It isn't as if they approach their study without bias. I'm not so hampered. There is a technical term for that, "STUPID."What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
SO much time is wasted here with such silly word games that say nothing.
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edge Member (Idle past 1727 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
You fail to take into account that the scientists who study these things are first of all dedicated to the ToE which colors how they think about all these things, and if the ToE is wrong, which of course it is, they are being misled. It isn't as if they approach their study without bias. I'm not so hampered.
True enough. You are not constrained by things such as facts, evidence, principles ... or even reality.
However, if I run across a seriously different trilobite body plan I may have cause to rethink things.
I'm sure you won't.
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