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Message 21 of 403 (850326)
04-06-2019 12:02 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by LamarkNewAge
04-06-2019 12:30 AM


Re: We are all isolated and stuck in our time.
LamarkNewAge writes:

I ask that there be less sarcastic commentary.


The sarcasm is a corollary of Poe's law:
"Without a clear indicator of the author's intent, it is impossible to create a parody of extreme views so obviously exaggerated that it cannot be mistaken by some readers for a sincere expression of the parodied views." Wikipedia

To wit:
It is impossible to suggest a position so ridiculous that a creationist won't accept it as true.

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Message 22 of 403 (850327)
04-06-2019 12:09 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Faith
04-05-2019 8:05 PM


Faith writes:

The cow genome does not have any genetic stuff for making fish....


It would be interesting if you could show us those differences between the cow genome and the fish genome.

Aren't they both made of the same LEGOs? What is there that prevents taking apart a LEGO castle and rebuilding it into a LEGO treehouse?


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Message 59 of 403 (850417)
04-07-2019 2:16 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Faith
04-06-2019 3:20 PM


Faith writes:

I did spell out some time ago the differences that have to be navigated to get from the reptilian ear to the mammalian ear....


You're not addressing the issue. The reptilian genome and the mammalian genome are made from the same building blocks, the same DNA, the same LEGOs. How would it even be possible to prevent one from being rebuilt as the other? What enforces the rule that a particular LEGO can only make a reptile while another LEGO can only make a mammal?

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Message 60 of 403 (850418)
04-07-2019 2:20 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by Faith
04-06-2019 11:03 PM


Re: more comic relief
Faith writes:

Macroevolution would need something outside the genome to create a new creature.


Why? How is that even possible?

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Message 79 of 403 (850496)
04-09-2019 12:05 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by Faith
04-08-2019 11:47 PM


Re: still more comic relief
Faith writes:

No, since YECs believe there are many separate Kinds each with its own genome, and it's only within each Kind that the kind of variation occurs that I'm talking about.


You still haven't explained how that is even possible, since every DNA molecule is made of the same building blocks, regardless of species. You're claiming that it's impossible to edit "Hello" into "Goodbye", which is ridiculous.

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Message 237 of 403 (850978)
04-18-2019 12:19 PM
Reply to: Message 231 by mike the wiz
04-18-2019 9:44 AM


mike the wiz writes:

Gee I would never expect any similarities whatsoever in things that swim...


We don't see much similarity between a whale's tail and a fish's tail two feet away in the same water.

...there couldn't possibly be any use in God designing swimmers with similar designs because they work in water.

But we do see a similarity between a whale's flipper which works in water, and a bat's wing, which works in air.

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Message 246 of 403 (850995)
04-18-2019 1:19 PM
Reply to: Message 240 by mike the wiz
04-18-2019 12:39 PM


mike the wiz writes:

...if you trace back on the "phylogenetic tree" both the Ichthyosaur and the whale, they both would have had to had the same ancestor with the pentadactyl pattern.


That doesn't follow. It is possible for the same pattern to evolve from different sources. Note the seal's flipper and the penguin's flipper, very similar in form and function, yet the seal is more closely related to other mammals and the penguin is more closely related to other birds. The evolution does not depend on birds and mammals having a common ancestor.

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Message 257 of 403 (851016)
04-18-2019 1:56 PM
Reply to: Message 251 by Faith
04-18-2019 1:41 PM


Re: Transitionals are intermediate in form/features/time/location from before and after
Faith writes:

Anyone with eyes open should be able to see the evidence for the Flood everywhere on this earth.


Floods. Plural. We have floods going on in the world right now, so we know they are plural. We have eyewitness accounts going back as far as humans have had the means to pass information down from one generation to the next, so we know floods are plural. We have no reason to think there haven't been floods every year as long as there has been water on earth and as long as there have been seasons.

What we do NOT have is one shred of evidence that there was one big worldwide Flood. And we do have evidence that there was not.


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Message 261 of 403 (851022)
04-18-2019 2:10 PM
Reply to: Message 259 by Faith
04-18-2019 2:05 PM


Re: Transitionals are intermediate in form/features/time/location from before and after
Faith writes:

The depth of the strata proves one worldwide Flood without any other evidence being taken into account.


On the contrary, it's the multiple layers (strata) that clearly show that they could not have all been deposited at once.

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Message 264 of 403 (851030)
04-18-2019 2:24 PM
Reply to: Message 262 by mike the wiz
04-18-2019 2:12 PM


mike the wiz writes:

I don't know what else I can do to convince you that this creationist is indeed a high reasoner.


Q: How do you eat an elephant?
A: One bite at a time.

How do you convince people that your a "high reasoner"? Try setting your sights a little lower. Convince us that you can reason at all before you try to "reason" away centuries of science.


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Message 297 of 403 (851136)
04-20-2019 11:54 AM
Reply to: Message 271 by mike the wiz
04-18-2019 2:53 PM


mike the wiz writes:

You say "convince us that you can reason at all" even though I can provide evidence I know a lot more about reason that you.


You need to demonstrate your reason in what you post here.

mike the wiz writes:

As for "reasoning away centuries of science" ... I accept genetic drift, speciation, allele frequencies. I in fact accept possibly about 85% of what mainstream science says.


Until you get that up to 100%, my statement stands.

mike the wiz writes:

So this shows that you are the poor reasoned....


I have not claimed to be a good reasoner. I let my posts stand for themselves.

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Message 348 of 403 (851322)
04-22-2019 12:10 PM
Reply to: Message 346 by AZPaul3
04-21-2019 6:56 PM


AZPaul3 writes:

While the world is all playing Canasta she is trying to play Texas 42 with the same cards.


The average creationist is playing Texas 42. Faith is playing soccer.

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Message 350 of 403 (851330)
04-22-2019 1:26 PM
Reply to: Message 349 by Faith
04-22-2019 1:17 PM


Faith writes:

Superstition is stuff like imputing power to relics or rituals...


Wikipedia:
quote:
Superstition is a pejorative term for any belief or practice that is considered irrational[1] or supernatural: for example, if it arises from ignorance, a misunderstanding of science or causality, a positive belief in fate or magic, or fear of that which is unknown. It is commonly applied to beliefs and practices surrounding luck, prophecy, and certain spiritual beings, particularly the belief that future events can be foretold by specific (apparently) unrelated prior events.[2] The word superstition is often used to refer to a religion not practiced by the majority of a given society regardless of whether the prevailing religion contains alleged superstitions.

It's funny when a superstitious person calls somebody else superstitious, kinda like a 300-pounder calling a 400-pounder "fat".

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Message 357 of 403 (851337)
04-22-2019 1:41 PM
Reply to: Message 351 by Faith
04-22-2019 1:29 PM


Faith writes:

Take my understanding of the term as fundamental or forget having a discussion.


I would never take anything you say as fundamental. I will continue to correct your misunderstanding and/or misrepresentation as I see fit. If anybody flees from discussion it will be you.

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Message 399 of 403 (851393)
04-23-2019 1:57 PM
Reply to: Message 370 by Faith
04-22-2019 4:04 PM


Faith writes:

Why wouldn't mutations add a few fingers or subtract a few...?


Horses walk on their fingertips. They're down to one on each appendage.

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