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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8711 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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I don't think so, folks.
I think she is sincerely secure in her religious delusions to the point where reality, apparently any of it, is of no consequence. IMHO, this isn't faked or deliberate falsehood but an actual twisting of reality to fit a delusional perception. The girl really is actually nuts. Off her rocker. It's not like she's playing with a short deck. All the cards are there. It's more like she thinks they're dominoes and can't tell the difference. While the world is all playing Canasta she is trying to play Texas 42 with the same cards. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Stile Member (Idle past 366 days) Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: |
AZPaul3 writes: I think she is sincerely secure in her religious delusions to the point where reality, apparently any of it, is of no consequence. IMHO, this isn't faked or deliberate falsehood but an actual twisting of reality to fit a delusional perception. Absolutely. Of course, this characterization isn't unique to Faith either.Many who follow the path of "prioritizing beliefs" over reality when attempting to identify "truth" lead themselves into this identical corner during their later years. It's a fascinating group of people who teach us much about how the brain works.
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ringo Member (Idle past 734 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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AZPaul3 writes:
The average creationist is playing Texas 42. Faith is playing soccer. While the world is all playing Canasta she is trying to play Texas 42 with the same cards.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 1767 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
OK I won't go inactive until I know it's going to stick.
Just couple of general responses: First, my religious beliefs are nothing but the standard orthodox (which simply means "accepted as the truth") historical Protestant Christian theology. There's nothing odd about it, nothing just my own. The Christmas Carols are certainly mainstream Christian theology. And it is not "superstition" as I saw someone here say. Superstition is stuff like imputing power to relics or rituals, or to saints who are merely human, which is something the RCC is known for and the Reformation ended. Protestantism is not superstitious, it is completely based on historical events. Yes some of them supernatural, but that's not superstition if you have any respect for language. Second, I am here because I genuinely believe I can show, and have, shown, the falseness of the ToE in many ways, yes with evidence, and offered some reasonable creationist alternatives, and that, truly, nobody has answered me effectively. Sometimes I get nothing but some kind of snarky putdown, or somebody saying it all comes from the "myth" I believe which is just an obfuscating lie since I've referred only to actual events in the world. Just to assert that evolution occurs from microevolution times hundreds of repeats is no answer because I've argued that the species genome is naturally limited to the characteristics of the species and to get anything that doesn't belong to that species from that genome is impossible. I've asked how you think that could happen and so far nobody has really come up with a way it could, some kind of genetic change that would even start the process, like getting a human hand from a chimp hand etc. Bunch of stuff said above just dumps too much silliness on me to be answerable. If anyone really thinks I should try to answer it, it could only be done one at a time and really, it doesn't seem worth it anyway. More effort would have to be made to take it out of the realm of mere ridicule and seriously try to understand what I'm trying to say. And three, yes I sometimes try to defend the conservative point of view in politics, or such events as the movie "Ujplanned." I don't think I do a very good job of this, however. I will probably have a strong urge to go Inactive when I get whatever answers to this are offered, but I will resist it at least for a while. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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ringo Member (Idle past 734 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Wikipedia:
Superstition is stuff like imputing power to relics or rituals...quote:It's funny when a superstitious person calls somebody else superstitious, kinda like a 300-pounder calling a 400-pounder "fat". And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 1767 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
OK, here we go. First you pick on a minor point which distracts from the whole, and then you use Wikipedia of all things to argue with it. Take my understanding of the term as fundamental or forget having a discussion.
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PaulK Member Posts: 18057 Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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quote: That is a long, long way from the truth. Your recent argument about trilobites, for instance, is simply based on taking the differences between trilobites as insignificant - no matter how big they are - and the differences between dogs and cats as being significant no matter how small they are. That is not a good argument - it’s just an expression of extreme bias.
quote: And we know that you are wrong because antibiotic resistance can appear in clonal populations of bacteria.
quote: So you’ve asked for huge amounts of detail from non-experts. And is a chimpanzee hand really that different from a human hand ? By the standards you use for trilobites isn’t it the same ? So let us be fair. You explain how we can get the massive amounts of variation we can see in trilobites - and if we can explain how to get from a chimpanzee hand to a human hand to the same level of detail you will accept that. Good enough ? Or will you demand more from us than you can give ?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: |
Yes some of them supernatural, but that's not superstition if you have any respect for language.
By definition it is.
quote:SUPERSTITION | Meaning & Definition for UK English | Lexico.com What were you saying about respect for language?Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 1767 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I'm not going to address your usual false statements unless it is clear that yours are going to be the ones to address and a whole pile-on of other crap plus attempts to answer me doesn't just follow and make similar demands. As I said, I "GENUINELY BELIEVE" what I said, and your flatly contradicting that does not deserve a response.
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 1767 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
As I said, take my definition or shut up.
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 1767 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Very little that deserves a serious response. So bye for now.
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ringo Member (Idle past 734 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
I would never take anything you say as fundamental. I will continue to correct your misunderstanding and/or misrepresentation as I see fit. If anybody flees from discussion it will be you. Take my understanding of the term as fundamental or forget having a discussion.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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PaulK Member Posts: 18057 Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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quote: What false statements ?
quote: But I did not just flatly contradict your statement, did I ? I pointed out serious problems in your arguments. I could point out more - like your dismissal of the order in the fossil record by flatly asserting that the Flood has to account for it - no matter that the idea makes no sense. But thanks for showing - yet again - how dismiss serious points against your arguments.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9632 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.4
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Faith writes: As I said, take my definition or shut up. That sums up your position on everything quite perfectly.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 6190 Joined: Member Rating: 5.4
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First, my religious beliefs are nothing but the standard orthodox ... So which is it? Greek or Russian?
... historical Protestant Christian theology. Which is not the least bit ORTHODOX!. Just what the fuck are you talking about? Don't you have any understanding of Christianity at all?
Second, I am here because I genuinely believe I can show, and have, shown, the falseness of the ToE in many ways, yes with evidence, and offered some reasonable creationist alternatives, and that, truly, nobody has answered me effectively. What? That you have asserted the just removing water from sediments creates rocks? And when I merely suggested to you to talk with actual geologists to answer that stupendously stupid idea your response was a series of emails that continuously escalated into extreme hysteria (not just mere hysteria, but rather extreme hysteria with extremely large fonts of all kinds of different colors -- that kind of hysteria cannot be spontaneous, but rather meticulously planned and thoroughly deliberate).
{typical creationist nonsense} You have proven nothing whatsoever. All you have tried to do is to change the meanings of terminology in an attempt to redefine reality by redefining words, which only works in theology and weasel-lawyer-weasel-wording. All your efforts are pure bullshit and everybody knows that it's all just bullshit, so who are you deluding besides yourself? And as for your politics, you have already disgraced that and yourself so many times over. And your latest propaganda film, "Unplanned", has already been exposed as yet another ham-fisted hatchet job. Just what kind of purpose do you actually think that you serve here?
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