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Author Topic:   What would a transitional fossil look like?
Faith 
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Message 354 of 403 (851334)
04-22-2019 1:35 PM
Reply to: Message 352 by PaulK
04-22-2019 1:32 PM


I'm not going to address your usual false statements unless it is clear that yours are going to be the ones to address and a whole pile-on of other crap plus attempts to answer me doesn't just follow and make similar demands. As I said, I "GENUINELY BELIEVE" what I said, and your flatly contradicting that does not deserve a response.

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Message 355 of 403 (851335)
04-22-2019 1:37 PM
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04-22-2019 1:33 PM


As I said, take my definition or shut up.

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Message 356 of 403 (851336)
04-22-2019 1:41 PM


So the usual is all I'm getting
Very little that deserves a serious response. So bye for now.

  
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Message 364 of 403 (851350)
04-22-2019 3:40 PM
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04-22-2019 2:34 PM


SUPERSTITION DEFINITIONS OFF TOPIC
I have mine, it's a historically valid definition. You all have the Rationalist anti-supernatural definition. There is no way we are going to agree and no way I'm giving in or you are giving in.

Therefore this needs to be considered an impasse and the topic brought to an end. Agree to disagree or just stop talking about it.


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Message 366 of 403 (851352)
04-22-2019 3:50 PM
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04-21-2019 2:27 PM


Re: It makes the trilobite one Kind ??? Lolling on the floor
You are misusing the terms I use. Dogs are a species, cats are a species, chimps are a species, human beings are a species, trilobites are a species, etc etc etc. You do not get to use my terms to establish your own definitions and impute them to me.

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Faith 
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Message 370 of 403 (851356)
04-22-2019 4:04 PM
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04-22-2019 2:59 PM


No, crosses have no power, that would be superstition. Also prayer has no power in itself but God's answers do.
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At least you said a few things that address the question of how to get from species to species:

I've asked how you think [evolution occurs from microevolution times hundreds of repeats] could happen and so far nobody has really come up with a way it could

Mutations and time.

some kind of genetic change that would even start the process

Mutations

like getting a human hand from a chimp hand etc

Mutations and time.

Unfortunately this is on the same level as the answer that "microevolution just continues for millions of years."

It's an assertion of what is really no more than belief or faith, there is no substance to it. You are not saying HOW this is possible, trying to imagine just what changes mutation needs to bring about to make the change from chimp hand to human hand. Its proportion in relation to the body has to change, so does the size of fingers in relation to thumb have to change, so does the skin covering have to change etc etc etc. None of the human hand is in the chimp genome: that genome always produces a chimp hand. Something drastic has to change to make the chimp genome do something new. What mutations would do that and what makes you think they would happen anyway? Why wouldn't mutations add a few fingers or subtract a few or turn the fur into scales or whatnot? If you kept getting mutational trials of that sort they could last for millions of years and never produce a human hand.

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Message 371 of 403 (851357)
04-22-2019 4:11 PM
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04-22-2019 3:59 PM


Re: It makes the trilobite one Kind ??? Lolling on the floor
I don't care what you've "seen," the definitions I gave are my definitions.

As usual this "discussion" has become a farce. Nevertheless for a while I will resist the impulse to leave this popstand and go on Inactive because the stupidities and misrepresentations do keep temping me back.

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Message 373 of 403 (851359)
04-22-2019 4:24 PM
Reply to: Message 346 by AZPaul3
04-21-2019 6:56 PM


Calling a person insane, "off her rocker," for holding the standard Protestant belief really ought to be cause for suspension from the forum on the basis of disrespecting another's "sincerely held belief." I know of course that the Rules are no longer prosecuted, so I'll have to content myself with pointing out the infraction myself.

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Faith 
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Message 374 of 403 (851360)
04-22-2019 4:27 PM
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04-22-2019 3:44 PM


Re: SUPERSTITION DEFINITIONS OFF TOPIC
No I'm not dictating what definitions get to be used, I'm saying the whole discussion needs to be suspended and NO definitions used. And if you continue with your nitpicky arguments you aren't getting an answer.

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Message 382 of 403 (851371)
04-23-2019 12:40 AM
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04-22-2019 9:55 PM


Re: What about Mollusca?
Are they also one species?

Possibly, I don't know. I'd have to spend time looking at them as I did with the trilobites.


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Message 383 of 403 (851372)
04-23-2019 12:46 AM
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04-22-2019 6:58 PM


Re: It makes the trilobite one Kind ??? Lolling on the floor
Science has identified 50,000 trilobite species. You appear to be (very) wrong again.

They are identifying mere varieties as species. Body plan is what defines trilobites as a species all together. They do complicated things with their spines but it's all of a sort that the genome itself would govern, not a new species.

As for chimps etc I already said why I consider their body builds to be too different from the human. And the question is still on the table how you get from the gemetic basis fpr chimp characteristics, i.e. the chimp genome that makes chimps and only chimps and nothing but chimps -- how you get from that to anything that isn't a chimp, by mutations or any other means. Mutations are only going to vary the gene they change, how is that going to get you from chimp to anything else? Are you imagining transitional phases? Where might we find any of those?

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Message 386 of 403 (851375)
04-23-2019 1:10 AM
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04-22-2019 7:29 PM


I'd rather experience the calming sense of justice of seeing you suspended.

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Message 395 of 403 (851389)
04-23-2019 1:31 PM
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04-23-2019 12:58 PM


Normal alleles are enough to distinguish one genome from another. Mutations just muddy things up. If they do anything viable at all they change an existing allele which affects a single gene that is part of the genome of the species, they don't do anything at all to introduce anything new to the genome that could ever begin the process of producing a completely new species. Think of how many things would have to be changed by your mutations even if they did change such basic things, and don't forget to take into account that most of the changes are not going to be beneficial and many will be deleterious, and somebody here recently pointed out that mutations to HOX genes that govern basic structure tend to produce monsters. The whole theory is just impossible.

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Faith 
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Message 396 of 403 (851390)
04-23-2019 1:40 PM


Rest easy, I'm leaving the thread
Tell ya what. I don't know if I'll go on Inactive but I'll leave this thread which has become such a ridiculous mess anyway. So you all can go back to your false but satisfying ToE nonsense, your false fossil evolution, your false fossil transitionals etc.

Enjoy.

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