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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
So in an imaginary world she could get more government aid. Which you admit she did not receive as you claimed before.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4
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Still waiting for one person that was there that was a historical preservationist and not white supremacist or Nazi.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4
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What is full welfare? Do you have any idea how the social safety net works. There are no longer welfare checks cut. There is still some cash aid for some people, but that is very limited for a very short period of time. Certainly not enough that someone would quit there job to live on it. Quitting your job would disqualify you from most of the benefits. Most of the benefits require some work, school or training while on the program.
Your just so story about the mysterious woman that quit her job and went on public assistance in order to have a baby doe not pass the smell test. Just stop digging. If you stop coming up with wild ass ways this could be true I will let it go. If you keep coming up with wild stories I will continue to beat them down. Your choice. You see how I did that, I criticized you without calling you names, or typing in all caps. It actually is quite easy. You should try it.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.5 |
Faith writes: What is with you idiots that you have to make such nitpicking distinctions and call people names who make understandable mistakes about them? Faith writes: THERE WERE NON WHITE SUPERMACISTS THERE PROTESTING TOO YOU LYIBG CREEP AND TRUMP WAS VERY VERY CLEAR HE WAS REFERRING TO THEM YOU EVIL LYING CREEP. So, I see you are still a feckless cunt and a fucking asshole.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Stile Member Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined:
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Faith writes: Liar. Evil lying leftist creep. The Left came there without a permit and contributed to the violence you evil lying Leftist creep. Liar, idiot, creep, liar liar liar.WHAT TRUMP SAID WAS VERY CLEAR AND VERY REJECTING OF WHITE SUPREMACISTS YOU LYING LEFTIST CREEP. Yes, thanks again.But I already fully understand that you're not very good at this whole "reasoned, fact-based argument" idea. No need to provide more support for that. What I'm wondering, is if you can actually show any facts that support this strange claim that Trump was rejecting white supremacists when all the available facts show that he was actually defending them. Seems to me like your best avenue is more along the lines of: "Sorry, Trump is an imbecile. In his reflexive attempt to fight against The Left, he accidentally sided with white supremacists. However, I assure you that this is entirely due to Trump's low intelligence and inability to think a step ahead about what he's actually saying. It doesn't actually mean he thought about siding with white supremacists - mostly because Trump rarely thinks. He generally simply reacts. Like a brainless, thoughtless, exposed nerve." I wouldn't necessarily believe that either - because I think it's also clear that Trump has at least "somewhat" of a leaning towards white supremacists anyway. It's just the sort of foolish man he is. But, really - I think that's your best out. I recommend further review after you've calmed down and an attempt to move in that direction.
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1534 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
The GOP talking point marching orders are as follows:
Trump did not support white supremacist.Trump did not say there are fine people on both sides:FAKE NEWS: Trump does not support racism. Fake news media is taking him out of context. Any attempt to link Trump to white supremacist must be denied. See the above rinse repeat rinse.Peace means war, love means hate, freedom is slavery. INSOC Edited by 1.61803, : No reason given."You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
Stile writes: Seems to me like your best avenue is more along the lines of: "Sorry, Trump is an imbecile. In his reflexive attempt to fight against The Left, he accidentally sided with white supremacists. However, I assure you that this is entirely due to Trump's low intelligence and inability to think a step ahead about what he's actually saying. It doesn't actually mean he thought about siding with white supremacists - mostly because Trump rarely thinks. He generally simply reacts. Like a brainless, thoughtless, exposed nerve." That sounds about right. If the Left is against racism, then Trump reflexively thinks he should support racists. He also gets support from racists, and that further triggers that reflex. At some point they need to remind The Donald that he can speak against racists all he wants and he will still get their vote.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5
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From an article cited in another thread.
When asked by reporters on Friday if he stood by the comments, Trump responded: “I’ve answered that question and if you look at what I said you will see that that question was answered perfectly, and I was talking about people that went [to the Charlottesville Unite the Right rally] because they felt very strongly about the monument to Robert E. Lee, a great [Confederate] general.”
So racists become “very fine people” if they stand up for the statue of a racist who fought for slavery. Seems like the “perfect” answer - to support what we’ve been saying.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5
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Vox also deals with Faith’s argument.
Unite the Right was explicitly organized and branded as a far-right, racist, and white supremacist event by far-right racist white supremacists. This was clear for months before the march actually occurred. So by casting the rally instead as a sort of spontaneous outpouring from Confederate statue enthusiasts, Trump is rewriting history.
So by August 2017, when the Unite the Right rally was scheduled to take place, it was fairly clear that the organizers behind the rallies on behalf of keeping the Lee statue in place had a very specific ideological bent. That was clear in a police affidavit detailing who was expected at Unite the Right ” including roughly 250 to 500 Klansmen and more than 150 “Alt-Knights,” the military division of the Proud Boys.
In fact, going back through the promotional materials for Unite the Right, it is fascinating just how little the statue of Lee, or honoring Confederate veterans, seemed to matter to the organizers and attendees of Unite the Right, an event that, despite its name, had nothing to do with conservatism writ large.
The attendees of Unite the Right were crystal clear as to what the event was supposed to be ” not a show of support for history, but a “pro-white” activist event. Neo-Nazi Andrew Anglin described the upcoming Unite the Right rally as in a post on the neo-Nazi website the Daily Stormer on August 8, 2017:
quote: This is a transcript of the Trump interview in Faith’s video
TRUMP: I am not putting anybody on a moral plane, what I’m saying is this: you had a group on one side and a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs and it was vicious and horrible and it was a horrible thing to watch, but there is another side. There was a group on this side, you can call them the left. You’ve just called them the left, that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that’s the way it is. REPORTER: You said there was hatred and violence on both sides? TRUMP: I do think there is blame - yes, I think there is blame on both sides. You look at, you look at both sides. I think there’s blame on both sides, and I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And, and, and, and if you reported it accurately, you would say. REPORTER: The neo-Nazis started this thing. They showed up in Charlottesville. TRUMP: Excuse me, they didn’t put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group - excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down, of to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.
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No, no. There were people in that rally, and I looked the night before. If you look, they were people protesting very quietly, the taking down the statue of Robert E. Lee. I’m sure in that group there were some bad ones. The following day, it looked like they had some rough, bad people, neo-Nazis, white nationalists, whatever you want to call ’em. But you had a lot of people in that group that were there to innocently protest and very legally protest
As the article points out the protest the “night before” was a torchlit march, chanting slogans like “The Jews will not replace us” and the Nazi “Blood and soil”. The article concludes
We also have the transcript and video of how Trump responded. He did, indeed, refer to the people who attended Unite the Right, people who were likely well aware of and supportive of its messaging, as “very fine people,” and he downplayed the tiki torch parade as “people protesting very quietly.”
This was basically the point I was making but the article has a lot more detail and evidence - beyond what I’ve quoted here.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
What you read and what Trump said are apparently two different things. At least two times, and in context more times than that, on that video I posted HE CONDEMNED WHITE SUPREMACISTS AND NEO NAZIS. YOU WANT TO HOLD HIM TO STUFF YOU THINK IS OBJECTIVELY TRUE ABOUT WHO WAS THERE RATHER THAN TO WHAT HE ACTUALLY SAID ABOUT WHAT HE SAW THERE. THAT IS MORONIC. THE FACT IS THAT HE SAID NOTHING IN SUPPORT OF WHITE SUPREMACISTS BUT CONDEMNED THEM. YOU BLITHERING IDIOTS.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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At least two times, and in context more times than that, on that video I posted HE CONDEMNED WHITE SUPREMACISTS AND NEO NAZIS. And that was a lie.
THE FACT IS THAT HE SAID NOTHING IN SUPPORT OF WHITE SUPREMACISTS BUT CONDEMNED THEM. And so is this.
YOU BLITHERING IDIOTS. Pot, kettle, black.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5
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quote: No. You just refuse to see the point. The fact is that Trump supported the Unite the Right protestors - and White Supremacy was the main point of their protest. Trump could not defend that protest without defending White Supremacists. That Trump tried to whitewash the protest - to the point of calling marchers chanting anti-Semitic and Nazi slogans a “very quiet” protest aimed at retaining the statue only emphasises the point.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
LISTEN TO WHAT HE SAID ON THAT VIDEO IN [MSG=1423] YOU BLITHERING IDIOT, ABOUT 1:57 AND AT THE VERY END WHERE HE EXPLICITLY CONDEMNS WHITE SUPREMACISTS, NEO NAZIS ETC, NOT TO MENTION THE PLACES IN BETWEEN WHERE HE MENTIONS" BAD PEOPLE"
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