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Stile
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Message 1741 of 1748 (851347)
04-22-2019 3:07 PM
Reply to: Message 1740 by dwise1
04-22-2019 2:25 PM


Re: OOPS! Self Fulfilling?
dwise1 writes:

Gens Una Sumus. We are one people.

Why is that such a difficult concept for so many people?

I don't know.

Varying levels of intellect and cultural upbringing due to the unguided, uncaring development of human evolution?
-If you're looking for a vague, non-answer of an answer, anyway


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Message 1742 of 1748 (851396)
04-23-2019 4:22 PM
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04-22-2019 2:25 PM


Re: OOPS! Self Fulfilling?
Why is that such a difficult concept for so many people?

Because you are only one of us if you look like me, speak and act like me and believe like me otherwise you're one of "them" and them is not really people.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 1743 of 1748 (851525)
04-26-2019 2:11 PM


Serendipity.

Here from SciAm: Understanding Political Behavior

quote:
In the case of nationalism, the motivation to view one’s national group as superior to others must work hand in hand with a belief that members of this group are systematically, meaningfully different from members of other national groups; if we’re all the same, claims of superiority don’t make sense.
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Yet, nationalism makes sense to a lot of people. Why? One reason might be that it is intuitive to think of national groups as deeply different, perhaps in part because it’s aligned with how we viewed these phenomena as children.
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Younger children were also more likely to think that the traits and behaviors that are associated with being an American (e.g., eating certain types of foods) are not learned but simply inherited from one’s parents. One child succinctly summarized this view: Being an American “feels like it’s in your body.”

Acculturation. Breaking this subtle cycle is not easy.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

  
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Message 1744 of 1748 (851597)
04-29-2019 11:52 AM
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04-23-2019 4:22 PM


Re: OOPS! Self Fulfilling?
Because you are only one of us if you look like me, speak and act like me and believe like me...
Reminds me of a song...

We Christians sometimes imagine that we are superior to lesser mortals who remain clueless as to the reality of God. You guys respond by asking for proof, which we don't have.

One side believes that Without faith it is impossible to please God.

The other side would assert that without evidence it is impossible to prove God. Thus we keep chit chatting and going around the maypole. I enjoy our discussions by and large, however. I'm just as human as you...and no better.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Message 1745 of 1748 (851601)
04-29-2019 12:58 PM
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04-29-2019 11:52 AM


Re: OOPS! Self Fulfilling?
Phat writes:

I'm just as human as you...and no better.

The world would certainly be a better place if only such a concept would catch on.

It's almost as if old religions knew such an idea was a good thing, even. Which such lines as "Not of works, lest any man should boast."
Perhaps this phrase should be expanded, instead of contracted.
Don't contract it and focus on the specific works-vs-faith salvation.
But expand on the '...lest any man should boast" idea.

That is, understand that all humans are equal.
Understand none of us is "any better" than any other of us... 'lest any man should boast.'

Can certain people be smarter? Sure.
Can certain people be stronger? Sure.
Can certain people be better at any "works?" Sure.
But, our essence of being human, having the right to pursue a safe, enjoyable life - we are all equal, and no one is "any better" at being granted such a right... "lest any man should boast."
That's what it's talking about.

Or, at least, that's the way I like to see it.


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Message 1746 of 1748 (851616)
04-29-2019 2:46 PM


CHRISTIANS DO NOT THINK WE ARE BETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE, WHO BROUGHT UP THIS IDIOCY? CHRISTIANITY IS THE ONE IDEOLOGY IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF THE PLANET THAT TEACHES THE EQUALITY OF ALL HUMANITY. THAT'S HOW IT GOT INTO THE LAWS OF WESTERN CIVILIZATION AND SPECIFICALLY INTO THE AMERICAN CONSTITUTION. YES WE BELIEVE THIS TEACHING IS SUPERIOR TO ALL OTHERS, WHICH IS WHAT MAKES AMERICA THE BEST NATION ON EARTH. THAT IS NOT ABOUT INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE BEING BETTER THAN OTHER PEOPLE. EVEN IF YOU ARE A LYING IDIOT YOU ARE EQUAL IN VALUE TO ANYONE ELSE THOUGH YOUR IDEOLOGY MAY BE ROTTEN AS IT CAN GET. AS FOR NATIONALISM, AMERICA IS THE BEST NATION THAT EVER EXISTED BECAUSE IT ENSHRINED THE CONCEPT OF HUMAN EQUALITY. ANY OTHER KIND OF NATIONALISM IS EVIL BECAUSE IT DOES CHOOSE A CLASS OVER OTHER CLASSES. ISLAM FOR INSTANCE. BUT NOW WE HAVE THE LEFT REJECTING THE ONLY TRUE NATIONALISM THERE IS AND ACTUALLY PUTTING MURDERING ISLAM ON A PLANE WITH US, EMBRACING MULTICULTURALISM INCLUDING SHARIA LAW, WHICH WILL ONLY DESTROY HUMAN EQUALITY. BUNCH OF IDIOTS BEYOND BELIEF.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 1747 of 1748 (851618)
04-29-2019 2:56 PM
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04-29-2019 2:46 PM


Thus Sayeth Faith
Critique Of An Online Sermonette:

  • CHRISTIANS DO NOT THINK WE ARE BETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE, WHO BROUGHT UP THIS IDIOCY?
    Rom 12:3-4 writes:

    For I say, through the grace given to me, to everyone who is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think soberly, as God has dealt to each one a measure of faith. NKJV

    CHRISTIANITY IS THE ONE IDEOLOGY IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF THE PLANET THAT TEACHES THE EQUALITY OF ALL HUMANITY. THAT'S HOW IT GOT INTO THE LAWS OF WESTERN CIVILIZATION AND SPECIFICALLY INTO THE AMERICAN CONSTITUTION.

  • YES WE BELIEVE THIS TEACHING IS SUPERIOR TO ALL OTHERS, WHICH IS WHAT MAKES AMERICA THE BEST NATION ON EARTH.
    1 Peter 5:5-7 writes:


    "God resists the proud,
    But gives grace to the humble."
    6 Therefore humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God, that He may exalt you in due time, 7 casting all your care upon Him, for He cares for you.
    NKJV

  • THAT IS NOT ABOUT INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE BEING BETTER THAN OTHER PEOPLE. EVEN IF YOU ARE A LYING IDIOT YOU ARE EQUAL IN VALUE TO ANYONE ELSE THOUGH YOUR IDEOLOGY MAY BE ROTTEN AS IT CAN GET.
    Phil 2:2-4 writes:

    3 Let nothing be done through selfish ambition or conceit, but in lowliness of mind let each esteem others better than himself. 4 Let each of you look out not only for his own interests, but also for the interests of others. NKJV

    AS FOR NATIONALISM, AMERICA IS THE BEST NATION THAT EVER EXISTED BECAUSE IT ENSHRINED THE CONCEPT OF HUMAN EQUALITY. ANY OTHER KIND OF NATIONALISM IS EVIL BECAUSE IT DOES CHOOSE A CLASS OVER OTHER CLASSES. ISLAM FOR INSTANCE. BUT NOW WE HAVE THE LEFT REJECTING THE ONLY TRUE NATIONALISM THERE IS AND ACTUALLY PUTS MURDERING ISLAM ON A PLANE WITH US.

    BUNCH OF IDIOTS BEYOND BELIEF..

    Matt 5:21-23 writes:

    "You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.' 22 But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother,'Raca!' shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says,'You fool!' shall be in danger of hell fire. NKJV

    Edited by Phat, : added emphasis based on studying the actual book rather than listening to Fox News


    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

    Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
    In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
    ~Stile


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  • Faith
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    Message 1748 of 1748 (851629)
    04-29-2019 8:20 PM
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    04-29-2019 2:56 PM


    Re: Thus Sayeth Faith
    I'm not worried, Phat, my anger has a righteous cause even if I overdo it and God punishes me for it. But your judgmental attitude ought to give you pause, you want me to quote that one you self-righteous prig? You should be warning the Leftists here. Why not, hm? Why do you ignore their insults against me and lecture me, hm? You've got something twisted up in your head.

    Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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