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Author Topic:   Any practical use for Universal Common Ancestor?
Stile
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Message 601 of 1385 (851590)
04-29-2019 8:32 AM
Reply to: Message 584 by Dredge
04-28-2019 2:34 AM


Dredge writes:

I will reiterate: To say, "all life is connected", is to say that all life shares a common ancestor - a belief that has no practical use in applied science.

Okay, but I don't see how this correct the silliness of your example.

To rephrase my original:

quote:
Let me get this straight. You're saying you "don't have to accept that all life is connected" by breeding a sheep dog from a wolf - proving that the sheep dog and a wolf are life that is connected?

But, please, keep trying. It's very entertaining.


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Stile
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Message 602 of 1385 (851591)
04-29-2019 8:37 AM
Reply to: Message 586 by Dredge
04-28-2019 2:42 AM


Dredge writes:

You keep repeating this claim, but hitherto have failed to explain how the theory of common descent (ie, the theory that all life on earth shares a common ancestor) has provided a practical use in medical science.

That's okay, we can continue to go over it again.
It shows everyone how empty your arguments are.
That you have no substance, and can only regurgitate Points Refuted A Thousand Times:

From Message 216:

There were two of them in the link you just quoted. One of the big, huge ones, and one of the small, specific ones:

quote:
Medicine
Schematic representation of how antibiotic resistance evolves via natural selection. The top section represents a population of bacteria before exposure to an antibiotic. The middle section shows the population directly after exposure, the phase in which selection took place. The last section shows the distribution of resistance in a new generation of bacteria. The legend indicates the resistance levels of individuals.
Antibiotic resistance can be a result of point mutations in the pathogen genome at a rate of about 1 in 108 per chromosomal replication. The antibiotic action against the pathogen can be seen as an environmental pressure; those bacteria which have a mutation allowing them to survive will live on to reproduce. They will then pass this trait to their offspring, which will result in a fully resistant colony.

Understanding the changes that have occurred during organism's evolution can reveal the genes needed to construct parts of the body, genes which may be involved in human genetic disorders.[6] For example, the Mexican tetra is an albino cavefish that lost its eyesight during evolution. Breeding together different populations of this blind fish produced some offspring with functional eyes, since different mutations had occurred in the isolated populations that had evolved in different caves.[7] This helped identify genes required for vision and pigmentation, such as crystallins and the melanocortin 1 receptor.[8] Similarly, comparing the genome of the Antarctic icefish, which lacks red blood cells, to close relatives such as the Antarctic rockcod revealed genes needed to make these blood cells.[9]


It must be difficult to talk, with all those feet in your mouth.

Are there any more of my previous messages you'd like me to post again? Cut and paste is easy.


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Message 603 of 1385 (851593)
04-29-2019 9:36 AM
Reply to: Message 600 by dwise1
04-28-2019 8:55 PM


Re: Any practical use for Universal Common Ancestor?
So then creationists have no scruples against posing as something that they are not (yet another morality argument against them).

Liars for Jesus is my favorite term for them.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Dredge
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Message 604 of 1385 (851641)
04-30-2019 12:00 AM
Reply to: Message 574 by dwise1
04-24-2019 2:09 PM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
dwise1 writes:

Now, if you want to see a historical genealogy, look to the complete genealogy of the Japanese Emperor which traces his ancestry directly all the way back to Amaterasu, the Sun Goddess. Every single ancestor in that line, generation after generation, is written down. Therefore, by your own logic, Shinto is the One True Faith, you barbarian heathen.


That genealogy goes back only to about 800 BC, which doesn't do much for your theory that humans have been around for hundreds of thousands of years. 800 BC is in line with the much shorter Biblical time-frame.

Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.


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dwise1
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Message 605 of 1385 (851644)
04-30-2019 1:24 AM
Reply to: Message 604 by Dredge
04-30-2019 12:00 AM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
What the fuck are you dissembling about?

The complete genealogy from the Sun Goddess, Amaterasu, to the modern-day Emperor has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that humans have been around for hundreds of thousands of years. Rather, I offered it as documentation far superior to your biblical invention which completely fails to support your bald assertion that humans have only been around for 6,000 to 10,000 years. Despite your false and deceptive claims to not be a YEC, that belief is pure YEC and has no place in actual progressive creationism.

So you are lying about not being a YEC, as you are lying about being a progressive creationist. And you are lying about what others say. Why do you need to lie all the time? Because you are a creationist and all that creationists have to work with are lies and deception.

Here is my question from my Message 574. You know, the one that you are so terrified of that you went out of your way to avoid:

DWise1 writes:

Dredge writes:

Homo sapiens have been dated as 200, 000 years old? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!! Deary me ... the delusions and nonsense you evolutionists are forced to come up with!


So show us why that would be. Support your nonsense. Since you have now revealed that you are a YEC, I assume that you would use the human population growth claim, so just present it.

Stop your stupid lying and just answer the fucking question!

If you are so terrified of simple direct questions, then there is something very seriously wrong with your position. And it's not just you; every creationist acts the same way. If all you have to offer are lies and deception and you are so terrified of simple direct questions, then you very seriously need to do some self-evaluation. You are just like your puny frightened impotent little "God of the Gaps" who has to hide in the shadows in absolute terror of knowledge and the light. How absolutely pitiful!

Edited by dwise1, : Added last paragraph


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Message 606 of 1385 (851651)
04-30-2019 11:23 AM
Reply to: Message 170 by Tanypteryx
03-19-2019 1:27 AM


Tanypteryx writes:

I made my living in biology and the first time I ever heard the term "applied biology" was from you right here.


Dredge writes:


1. What? You're a professional biologist and you've never heard of "applied biology"?!
2. Instead of saying or writing, "practical applications of the observable facts and principles of biology", I simply say "applied biology". Try it - it's 2 words verses 7, or 71 characters verses 15!


OK I'm about to investigate!

It seems to have been defined online:
Pure and Applied Biology...inestigating further, I visited this website: PAB. Still puzzled as to how Dredge actually got this term right, I delved a bit into just what research these folks profess...
Table Of Contents and it looks as if most of these scholars are Islamic.

The Free Dictionary Online redirects the term "applied Biology" to Applied Science.
Applied Science

Now its Tanypteryx turn.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Message 607 of 1385 (851660)
04-30-2019 11:54 AM
Reply to: Message 606 by Phat
04-30-2019 11:23 AM


If I were you Phat I'd stop buttering up the evos and defend the creo from the vicious attacks on him. Mete out a suspension or two for their nasty language. They say horrible things about him and you ignore it. He doesn't say horrible things about them.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Tanypteryx
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Message 608 of 1385 (851662)
04-30-2019 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 606 by Phat
04-30-2019 11:23 AM


Now its Tanypteryx turn.

My turn for what?


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Tanypteryx
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Message 609 of 1385 (851663)
04-30-2019 12:21 PM
Reply to: Message 575 by Dredge
04-28-2019 1:42 AM


=DrudgeOh, so you think I should place my trust in evolutionary scientists? That's HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA so funny!

What are you, 12?


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 610 of 1385 (851666)
04-30-2019 12:23 PM
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04-30-2019 12:21 PM


Tanypteryx writes:

What are you, 12?

No need to discuss his IQ.
He's trying.


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Message 611 of 1385 (851667)
04-30-2019 12:27 PM
Reply to: Message 606 by Phat
04-30-2019 11:23 AM


It seems to have been defined online:
Pure and Applied Biology...inestigating further, I visited this website: PAB. Still puzzled as to how Dredge actually got this term right, I delved a bit into just what research these folks profess...
Table Of Contents and it looks as if most of these scholars are Islamic.

That's just because it's the journal of a Pakistani university.

There is actually a Society of Applied Biologists; which publishes a journal called 'Annals of Applied Biology'. What they mean by 'applied biology' is basically agricultural science. The journal is all about studying crops, their diseases, weeds and agricultural pests.


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Dredge
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Message 612 of 1385 (851695)
05-01-2019 12:54 AM
Reply to: Message 561 by Tangle
04-24-2019 3:36 AM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
Tangle writes:

It's hard to unpick this mess but it strikes me that you must therefore think that Adam and Eve were real and Noah and his Flood happened. So all modern animals evolved in the last 4,000 years? And all humans came from Noah's family? And all those human fossils and descendants are imaginary?


Of course Adam and Eve were real!

I believe Noah's flood is an historical fact, but I also believe it wasn't global.

Did all humanity descended from Noah's family? I think so.

No modern animals evolved in last 4000 years – all animals were created, beginning billions of years ago.


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Dredge
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Message 613 of 1385 (851696)
05-01-2019 1:06 AM
Reply to: Message 565 by FLRW
04-24-2019 9:23 AM


Re: Progressive Creation
FLRW writes:

Recent research suggests that the period prior to the Cambrian explosion saw the gradual evolution of a "genetic tool kit" of genes that govern developmental processes


"Recent research"? You mean just another untestable theoretical fantasy dreamed up by atheists who can't accept the implications of the non-existence of fossil ancestors leading up to the Cambrian explosion. An untestable theory doesn't even qualify as science - it's just a worthless story.

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Message 614 of 1385 (851697)
05-01-2019 1:09 AM
Reply to: Message 568 by edge
04-24-2019 9:49 AM


Re: Progressive Creation
edge writes:

Except that even Darwin had an explanation a century and a half ago. That basic explanation still stands.


Oh dear ... if this is your best defence, you're in trouble. As time goes by, the "incomplete fossil record" argument gets weaker and weaker. The Chinese Cambrian fossil beds did evolutionary theory no favours at all - more soft-bodies fossils were found but no evolutionary links between the Ediacaran and the Cambrian.

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Dredge
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Message 615 of 1385 (851698)
05-01-2019 1:15 AM
Reply to: Message 570 by dwise1
04-24-2019 11:27 AM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
dwise1 writes:

Since he's now come out explicitly as a YEC, I'm waiting for him to make that standard bunny-blunder claim. I'm sure that he'll revert to standard YEC behavior and avoid presenting any evidence to support YEC.


Deary, deary me. Another mistake of embarrassing proportions. Apparently I'm a "YEC" who accepts the scientific evidence that life on earth could have started billions of years ago - hilarious!

Listen, this is how it works: “YEC” stands for Young Earth Creationist. Please note the part that says “Young Earth”. I don’t believe in a “Young Earth” – in fact, I accept that scientific evidence that suggests the earth (and life on earth) could be billions of years old. I accept the same fossil record and time-frame as you do. Therefore, I cannot be a Young Earth Creationist.

Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.


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