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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4
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I don't hate Faith. Pointing out she is a troll, as you are, is not hateful. That you equate pointing out she is a troll, with her words is quite telling.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5
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quote: He wasn’t exactly happy to see it ended.
quote: Those quotes are rather misleading. Here they are in context:
Several historians have noted the paradoxical nature of Lee's beliefs and actions concerning race and slavery. While Lee protested he had sympathetic feelings for blacks, they were subordinate to his own racial identity.[76] While Lee held slavery to be an evil institution, he also saw some benefit to blacks held in slavery.[77] While Lee helped assist individual slaves to freedom in Liberia, and provided for their emancipation in his own will,[78] he believed the enslaved should be eventually freed in a general way only at some unspecified future date as a part of God's purpose.[76] Slavery for Lee was a moral and religious issue, and not one that would yield to political solutions.[79] Emancipation would sooner come from Christian impulse among slave masters before "storms and tempests of fiery controversy" such as was occurring in "Bleeding Kansas".[76] Countering southerners who argued for slavery as a positive good, Lee in his well-known analysis of slavery from an 1856 letter called it a moral and political evil. While both Robert and his wife Mary Lee were disgusted with slavery, they also defended it against Abolitionist demands for immediate emancipation for all enslaved.[80] And a quote from the letter to provide more context for the second quote:
n this enlightened age, there are few I believe, but what will acknowledge, that slavery as an institution, is a moral & political evil in any Country. It is useless to expatiate on its disadvantages. I think it however a greater evil to the white man than to the black race, & while my feelings are strongly enlisted in behalf of the latter, my sympathies are more strong for the former. The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, socially & physically. The painful discipline they are undergoing, is necessary for their instruction as a race, & I hope will prepare & lead them to better things. How long their subjugation may be necessary is known & ordered by a wise Merciful Providence.
quote: No, the American Civil War was primarily a fight between those wishing to preserve slavery versus those wishing to preserve the Union. And I note that you don’t seem interested in accurately presenting Lee’s views.
quote: Who says that I called him racist for his position on slavery? This is the real reason:
Lee accepted "the extinction of slavery" provided for by the Thirteenth Amendment, but publicly opposed racial equality and granting African Americans the right to vote and other political rights.
But I guess you don’t care about that,
quote: Loving your country doesn’t mean loving every prominent person in its history.
quote: In other words you agree - you think that racists become “very fine people” if they stand up for the statue of a racist who fought for slavery. Edited by PaulK, : No reason given. Edited by PaulK, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Isn't it clear that when one hates an ideologue like a Leftist it's the ideology one is hating? As when Jesus said He hates the doctrine of the Nicolaitans. I hate Leftists with a passion but that means I hate what they think. I hate the whole gaggle of Leftists, not individuals in particular but the whole blighted thinking pattern that is Leftism.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Yes you do hate me.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Trump wasn't defending racists.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I should have been clear I'm hating LeftISM instead of LeftISTS, and it is hard to avoid personalizing it when so much hate is coming at me as you have been pointing out.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5 |
quote: I wasn’t talking about Trump - in that post. But the people attending the Unite the Right event were racists and if Trump wasn’t defending them, who was he defending ? Edited by PaulK, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5 |
quote: See Message 1434 and your reply Message 1435 And let us note that there is still no evidence of any substantial grouping of “non-White-Supremacists” at the Unite the Right rally, nor even a good reason why such people would want to attend a White Supremacist event.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4
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I do not know you or care enough about you to hate you. I despise your ideas and trollish behavior. Do not so value yourself that I would deign to hate you. As soon as I close this page, I will forget you again.
Hate is not something I posses or understand. It seems to be a religious, particularly christian, virtue. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Make up your mind. "I hate leftists with a passion" means you hate leftists with a passion.
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Stile Member Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined:
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marc9000 writes: Here are 4 calm, respectful responses to Faith; Why would you say that?Although they do seem calm, they do not seem to all be respectful. I will now show you 4 calm, respectful responses to Faith.And, just so I don't cherry-pick like you did, I'll grab the 4 responses closest to the post you just made (the one I'm replying to.) Your post: Message 1525 Calm, respectful response to Faith #1: Message 1524herebedragons writes: Clearly you aren't really concerned with what the Bible says, but with what you want it to say in order to justify your own opinions, but I'll try anyway... ... Calm, respectful response to Faith #2: Message 1523Tanypteryx writes: So, I guess you know what the "Final Solution" should be for all the people you hate... Calm, respectful response to Faith #3: Message 1522JonF writes: I note you reject Christianity. Calm, respectful response to Faith #4: Message 1521ringo writes: He was an adulterer and a murderer, hardly a role model. ... That's how you look at something without bias. Don't worry though, everyone can see right through the tricks you've attempted.
marc9000 writes: Your picture is painted about as well as every picture liberals paint. My picture is a description of the objective, factual evidence.Yours is a description of cherry-picked whatever-you-could-find-to-support-your-imagined-notion. Did you not notice who started the yelling and screaming and insults? It's hardly reasonable to expect no insults in return after such a display, don't you think? I leave it to the floor to decide which one is a more accurate picture painted of the reality that's occurred.
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Percy Member Posts: 22505 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4
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Phat Member Posts: 18350 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Had to google this one. Explication--
Google Dictionary writes:
ex·pli·ca·tion ‘eksplkSH()n
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Wonderful. Being angry at all the lies is proof that I'm wrong. Gosh, what a stellar bit of reasoning. Yes, it's similar to how anything Trump says gets twisted by the Anti-Right -- Oh and here's more wonderful cleverness: censor the word "L-eft" so I have to find alternatives. Isn't that rather babyish of you?
I have no problem at all hearing that video and understanding that he said nothing to align himself with the racist crowd, nothing at all, but those of a Le-ft-ist bent can always make it appear so, mostly just by insisting on it, in lower case letters of course -- that's a main element of the "evidence" now. Trump has said not one racist thing in the whole time he's been President but the Le=ft says he has though the evidence is merely circumstantial events -- judging him by his "actions" which you think is more accurate but is really just imposing your own opinion on him -- circumstances and actions they insist on interpreting as racism and cramming into his mouth. All this is just the usual ha-t-e-ful (ha ha, gosh how truly l-e-ftist of you to censor that word too. Soon you'll just censor everything I say, right?) L=eftist spin. But I'm not allowed to say so, right? So we censor the necessary words for saying it. Isn't that, um, a violation of the right to free speech? Typical of the L-e-f-t these days: if you can't twist it, erase it. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
And let us note that there is still no evidence of any substantial grouping of “non-White-Supremacists” at the Unite the Right rally, nor even a good reason why such people would want to attend a White Supremacist event. And again let us note that your evidence is utterly irrelevant to the fact that Trump clearly identified people who are not white supremacists as "fine people" on the side of preserving historical monuments. That is absolutely clear from what he said, all of it. What exactly he was referring to is irrelevant, and so is your "evidence" since the point is WHAT HE WAS THINKING OF and clearly he did not have racists in mind. He very clearly made a distinction between the "bad people" on both sides, and those he did NOT identify with them, and SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED the neo-Nazis and white supremacists as the "bad people" who should be condemned, differentiating them from the people who he understood to be protesting on behalf of history. What HE UNDERSTOOD is the point, not some pedantic facts. All the racists you can hallucinate in the group you assume he was referring to has nothing to do with what HE HAD IN MIND. It takes some kind of devious mental twisting to impute your own opinion to someone else. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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