Any practical use for Universal Common Ancestor?

Since nobody has ever demonstrated a barrier, there's no need to offer a pathway.

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Yes an explanation of the fossil order would be nice but the evidence for the Flood is compelling without it.

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There is no evidence for the Flood that gets anywhere near “compelling”. The order in the fossil record is compelling evidence against your views.

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Also, I don't think the fossil order itself is all that compelling anyway, it's more of an illusion than a reality.

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I don’t think that telling silly lies does anything to diminish the strength of the evidence.

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There is not really anything objective that defines why one living form should precede the others over millions of years, it's all imaginative

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Aside from the fact that the order exists independently of dating there is the fact that evolution does take considerable time in ordinary conditions.

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AND the idea of millions of years belies the fact that variation in one species is quite extensive over merely a few hundred years in reality. AND that nobody has offered a pathway for getting genetic changes from one species genome to that of another species although I've asked and asked.

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The first “fact” is not generally true of wild species and therefore not a fact at all. For the second the question is vague - and it has been pointed out the the differences between human and chimp are within the range of available mutations.

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These questions are far more important than the supposedly fossil order.

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But neither presents a solid case against evolution - and neither is evidence for the Flood at all. The order in the fossil record is far stronger as evidence against your views because there is no reasonable prospect of an explanation.

An explanation for the obvious fossil order and undeniable correlation with depth and rock formations is requisite for any theory. Any "theory" that doesn't have one is a non-starter.Only one of the many fatal flaws that we post and you ignore.

Take 2 - you did not respond to first reply ... The theory of evolution does explain gaps in the fossil record by predicting proximity to ancestral and descendant populations ” the temporal/spatial matrix ” such that populations can evolve by steps from one to the other. This is based on observations of existing data and what that data shows for the evolutionary paths. This means there are scientifically explicable gaps in the fossil record, ones with testable restrictions/requirements.This is also tested and validated whenever “missing links” are found: do they have intermediate traits that show it falls on that step by step path? If yes, then the new fossil is a transitional stage/fossil and the prediction is validated.This was tested and validated with the search for (and discovery of) Tiktaalik: they went to a location and geologic age of rock deposits meeting the temporal/special matrix for a “missing link” (intermediate or transitional fossil) and there it was.There are currently no “scientifically inexplicable gaps in the fossil record” that do not meet this temporal/special proximity requirement/prediction.If PC previously predicted this was a case of a “scientifically inexplicable gap in the fossil record” it failed this test. Evolution 1, PC O.Again, AS MENTIONED BEFORE, PC makes no predictions regarding times and locations for new fossil finds, no predictions of testable scientific value. It is pseudoscience and religious ad hoc wishful imagination. To be a theory of scientific value it needs to be falsifiable ” it needs a prediction that if happens it falsifies the theory.Enjoy

A "non-starter" at EvC is of no particular concern, simply to be expected. But I already gave an explanation which you aren't bothering to answer. That's to be expected too of course.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I have as a matter of fact demonstrated a barrier in how breeds develop by "using up" genetic variation, which is most apparent in "purebreds." That is a natural outcome of selection processes whether domestic or "natural," which shows that any given species does have a natural end to how it can vary in any given direction. For the ToE to be true you need more genetic variation but instead the more varieties you produce the less genetic variability you have. This is easily understood by anyone willing to think a little.But another way to put it is that a species is governed by its own genome which plays out in many variants of that species and only that species. It's built into the genome itself. To get from a species to another species would require genetic changes beyond those built into the genome, and that can't happen, or if it could it would require so much trial and error it could only produce millions of monsters before it could produce one viable new trait not possessed by the original genome. This too is easily understood with a little thinking.

This has been discussed before, and your explanation fails when we look at general cases and not just purebreds. This is because mutations occur in nature, but are weaned out to preserve purebreds. There is no natural process known that replicates this removal of mutations in natural selection.In fact the opposite often happens where the mutation is selected by being beneficial to survival and reproduction. This has been demonstrated to you time and again, but you fail to simply read and accept the information ... what you often complain about from people not taking your position as having value.Enjoy

On the contrary, artificial selection arbitrarily decides what characteristics are "desirable". It deliberately throws away mutations, shrinking the gene pool. There is no such limitation on natural selection. Every mutation gets its chance to succeed. What I'm asking you is to SHOW that it can't happen, not just assert. You have to show an actual mechanism in the chemistry of the DNA. There's plenty of time for that. You can't use your erroneous ideas about the age of the earth to back up your erroneous ideas about evolution. That's circular.Edited by ringo, : Spealing.

Too tedious to argue about all this here right now. Go ahead and declare yourself the winner.

Yes, that's your classic run-away strategy. Soon enough you'll be back making the same old same old claims and also claiming that you answered the rebuttals. Let this be a record that you didn't.

You gave no explanation. An explanation must include describing the forces and environmental factors that affect the fossils and how they act to produce the observed pattern. The order of the fossil record is a critical requirement for any theory precisely because nobody has found any near-plausible explanation other than time, lots of it, plus change over time. Something so obvious for which there's only one known explanation (despite many attempts at others) is strong evidence for the theory that has the explanation.YECs have come up with sciency-sounding labels for their attempts at explaining. Ecological zonation, hydrodynamic sorting, differential escape. Each of them or any combination of them has been trivially refuted as a possible explanation. Most of those refutations have been posted in your threads. We see the result.

Thank you for your permission. I believe they probably will.But, it is good to have this other religious claptrap in comparison with Dredge's if only to emphasize how your two views differ so radically while on the evo side everyone appeasers to be citing similar information and the same conclusions. Consistency. Something you religionist's seem incapable of producing.That has to do, of course, with the fact that the former are fantasies open to personal embellishment while the latter is not. Real facts, not your made-up ones, are too powerful to be reputed by your book no matter which interpretation either one of you care to apply.

No it is not. Your fantasy flood can only be true if time is suspended, and gravity is suspended, and hydrology is suspended, and sedimentology is suspended, and thermodynamics is suspended, and chemistry is suspended, and biology is suspended, and geology is suspended, and all of physics is suspended. Well of course you don't, because you cannot explain or understand it so you have to pretend it doesn't exit. We've watched you do this every single time. Really? Please point out the specific illusion.The reality is that your whole flood scenario is a delusion. What? Are you seriously disputing that ancestors live before their descendants? In what way does the amount of variation in one species refute the fact that life has existed for several BILLIONS of years.We know that the rates at which genetic variation fluctuates within natural populations is highly variable, so whatever point you are trying to make here fails. What the heck are you talking about? Genomes are passed on from ancestors to descendants through reproduction with new mutations slightly modifying the genome every generation. Sometimes lines of descent go extinct and sometimes they are the beginning of dense lines of descent. Really? How do the answers in any way support you fantasy flood?The thing is we can explain the fossil order in a way that is consistent with the principles of physics, chemistry, geology, biology and all other relevant science and you cannot.

Amazing how well you understand what a worldwide Flood would do, just staggering considering that we have no witness information from that time. I'll believe Noah though that he and his family and all the animals of earth were saved on a big boat that took him a hundred years to build. Time suspended? Huh? And all the rest of it. Sorry, God authored the report of the Flood and He has a bit more credibility than you.But the main evidence of the Flood is the sedimentary strata found all over the planet and their fossil contents. The idea that such layers of completely different sediments usually demarcated by sharp straight lines between them, would just happen to occur hundreds of millions of years apart so regularly up the geological column is laughably absurd. And bazillions of fossilized dead things in them perfectly reflects the purpose of the Flood, to kill all the land creatures not saved on the ark. This evidene is really quite apparent if you just open your eyes.Oh, and the Flood would have provided the conditions for fossilization that just couldn't occur on the usual scenario spanning those hundreds of millions of years. Really you all need to wake up.*How* the Flood could have happened is another subject, and since nobody here has been able to answer my repeated question about how one species could genetically descend from another either, I think we can leave such questions for later.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

mutation + natural selection