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Faith 
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Message 1606 of 5796 (851856)
05-03-2019 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 1596 by Tangle
05-03-2019 3:06 AM


Re: Thanks to marc9000 for his kindness
The phrase "one another" refers to the disciples. Jesus addresses that group in particular to love one another, although He also affirms loving one's neighbor. We are to love both but there is a special way we are to love the brethren, and being a little too ready to pounce and condemn a sister in Christ is a violation of that commandment.

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Faith 
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Message 1607 of 5796 (851857)
05-03-2019 12:02 PM
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05-03-2019 11:56 AM


Context is a big stumbling block for nonbelievers. Feeding the thousands was a miracle Jesus did twice. He did miracles to validate His identity and draw people to Him. Feeding the widows was an everyday ministry of the Church and not a miracle, purely an act of loving one another.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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ringo
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Message 1608 of 5796 (851858)
05-03-2019 12:06 PM
Reply to: Message 1599 by marc9000
05-03-2019 8:54 AM


Re: The fake news about Charlottesville answered again
marc9000 writes:
Hellllooooooo down there!!!!!!!!! If I have a shovel, you're on the world's biggest excavator, and you're halfway to China!
Nothing, Nobody and Nuts went for a walk in the woods. Nothing fell into a hole; he looked up and saw Nobody. Nobody looked into the hole and saw Nothing; he told Nuts to go and find a rope.
Nuts ran through the woods until he encountered a Stranger. "Nothing fell into a hole," he said, "Nobody told me to find a rope."
The stranger said, "Are you nuts?"
"Yes."

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Percy
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Message 1609 of 5796 (851859)
05-03-2019 12:16 PM
Reply to: Message 1568 by PaulK
05-02-2019 12:13 AM


Re: The fake news about Charlottesville answered again
PaulK writes:
Your “explanation” doesn’t make a lot of sense either:
quote:
Trump made that clear when he offered to bus all the illegals he could to sanctuary cities, and then we all watched them cry about that.
The “sanctuary cities” are obviously dealing with their share of the problems. Why should they want additional problems foisted on them?
I think it important to explicitly note what Trump was really doing. He wasn't attempting to address problems and issues surrounding immigration. He was attempting to get sanctuary cities to knuckle under by threatening to overwhelm their social and economic resources.
If it takes shared national sacrifice to solve the immigration problem then so be it, but that is unlikely because immigration enriches a country, especially by the 2nd and 3rd generations. A steady flow of immigrants (i.e., a healthy and sustained immigration pipeline) is necessary to a country's success.
quote:
Contrary to politically correct beliefs, the North, in 1865, wasn't all lovie dovie at the thought of newly freed blacks running around in their cities. There is evidence of RACISM toward blacks in northern cities, by businesses and politicians, for 70, 80, 90 years after the civil war ended. Would you like to see a little of that evidence?
Any such evidence would be irrelevant to my position. Of course there were racists everywhere.
I'm not sure what Marc was trying to say here, or why he was trying to say it. That both North and South were racist before, during and after the Civil War is not in doubt, but it was only the South that insisted on maintaining slavery, and only the South that after the war did all they could to keep blacks enslaved (in effect if not in reality) to the extent possible.
--Percy

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ringo
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Message 1610 of 5796 (851860)
05-03-2019 12:19 PM
Reply to: Message 1607 by Faith
05-03-2019 12:02 PM


Faith writes:
Feeding the thousands was a miracle Jesus did twice. He did miracles to validate His identity and draw people to Him.
He fed the people because they were hungry.
quote:
Mark 8:1-3 In those days the multitude being very great, and having nothing to eat, Jesus called his disciples unto him, and saith unto them, I have compassion on the multitude, because they have now been with me three days, and have nothing to eat: And if I send them away fasting to their own houses, they will faint by the way: for divers of them came from far.
There's nothing in the context that suggests He did it to show off His magical powers.
Faith writes:
Feeding the widows was an everyday ministry of the Church and not a miracle, purely an act of loving one another.
And the only difference was that the Church didn't do it by miracles. The target audience was the same - everybody. ("All nations.")

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Tangle
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Message 1611 of 5796 (851862)
05-03-2019 1:17 PM
Reply to: Message 1606 by Faith
05-03-2019 12:00 PM


Re: Thanks to marc9000 for his kindness
Faith writes:
The phrase "one another" refers to the disciples.
Jesus's message of love was meant to be universal otherwise it's meaningless.
quote:
In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you, for this is the Law and the Prophets.
Forgotten the Good Samaritan have we? Forgotten that you are meant to love even your enemies?
quote:
But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High; for He Himself is kind to ungrateful and evil men.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Faith 
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Message 1612 of 5796 (851865)
05-03-2019 1:48 PM
Reply to: Message 1611 by Tangle
05-03-2019 1:17 PM


Re: Thanks to marc9000 for his kindness
There's no point in saying it again. You are ignorant of Christian theology and nothing I say is going to change your mind.

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Faith 
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Message 1613 of 5796 (851866)
05-03-2019 1:52 PM
Reply to: Message 1609 by Percy
05-03-2019 12:16 PM


Re: The fake news about Charlottesville answered again
Yes, Trump had in mind overwhelming the illegal anti-American sanctuary cities with the illegals they profess to love so much. I rather like the cleverness of that idea but I'm aware that there are people in those cities who are not happy with their sanctuary status and I don't want to make life difficult for them too. I'd prefer that he just deport a million of them at a time the way Eisenhower did.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Tangle
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Message 1614 of 5796 (851867)
05-03-2019 2:03 PM
Reply to: Message 1612 by Faith
05-03-2019 1:48 PM


Re: Thanks to marc9000 for his kindness
Faith writes:
There's no point in saying it again. You are ignorant of Christian theology and nothing I say is going to change your mind.
How can I be wrong, I'm quoting from your book?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Faith 
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From: Nevada, USA
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Message 1615 of 5796 (851870)
05-03-2019 2:11 PM
Reply to: Message 1614 by Tangle
05-03-2019 2:03 PM


Re: Thanks to marc9000 for his kindness
Theology takes the entire book into account and you think a single quote should suffice. Just shows your ignorance.

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ringo
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Message 1616 of 5796 (851871)
05-03-2019 2:16 PM
Reply to: Message 1615 by Faith
05-03-2019 2:11 PM


Re: Thanks to marc9000 for his kindness
Faith writes:
Theology takes the entire book into account and you think a single quote should suffice.
But you ignore everything in the book that counters your own personal prejudices. And when you do (rarely) quote something to support your view, you're the one who ignores the context.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Theodoric
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Message 1617 of 5796 (851874)
05-03-2019 2:26 PM
Reply to: Message 1613 by Faith
05-03-2019 1:52 PM


Re: The fake news about Charlottesville answered again
Oh please tell me what you think you know about Eisenhower. You might want to research actual history before you answer.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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JonF
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Message 1618 of 5796 (851876)
05-03-2019 2:56 PM
Reply to: Message 1598 by marc9000
05-03-2019 8:40 AM


Re: The fake news about Charlottesville answered again
But San Francisco for example, wants as many of them as possible in the country for their votes, but they'd rather others far from them, in border towns, deal with their illiteracy and all their problems
They can't and don't vote in state or Federal elections. If you want to argue otherwise, include evidence.
And let's see the statistics on literacy in their native language, an on "other problems".

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JonF
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Message 1619 of 5796 (851877)
05-03-2019 3:03 PM
Reply to: Message 1602 by marc9000
05-03-2019 9:17 AM


Re: The fake news about Charlottesville answered again
The main difference is that sanctuary cities are not violating Federal or any law. They are refusing, as is their right and duty, to enforce Federal law for the agencies responsible for the enforcement.
Do you really believe that this administration would not act if they were really violating Feder law?
Exactly what Federal law do you think they are violating?
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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JonF
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Message 1620 of 5796 (851878)
05-03-2019 3:07 PM
Reply to: Message 1613 by Faith
05-03-2019 1:52 PM


Re: The fake news about Charlottesville answered again
What sanctuary cities are doing is not illegal. If it were Trump would have prosecuted them long ago.
If you want to argue that their inactions are illegal, cite the specific applicable law.

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