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Theodoric
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Message 1636 of 5796 (851915)
05-04-2019 10:11 AM
Reply to: Message 1634 by Percy
05-04-2019 10:00 AM


Re: Eisenhower's deportation
My point is that Faith is just repeating anti immigrant and anti US talking points, that are racist manipulations of the actual historical facts. Faith obviously has not even read what she linked to because an actual reading of them does not support her ideology. Therefore I am trying to find out what in the links she thinks supports her racism.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Faith 
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Message 1637 of 5796 (851919)
05-04-2019 10:16 AM
Reply to: Message 1632 by Theodoric
05-04-2019 8:25 AM


Re: Eisenhower's deportation
All I heard was that Eisenhower had deported a million illegal aliens, and that is literally ALL I heard. I didn't hear anything Trump said about it or any other commentary about it, just that he deported a million people. My view was that we have that many now that should be deported. I'm not thinking of cruel methods, just sending them back where they came from, in the most humane way possible.
In response to your post above, I did read most of the linked articles, but I don't agree with the methods employed. Just that deportation is a way to deal with the illegals flooding into the country now. When I first heard that Eisenhower had done it I was surprised that it was possible in huge numbers.
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Message 1638 of 5796 (851923)
05-04-2019 10:39 AM


Summary of the thread
So far, here's what I've gotten out of this thread:
  • In the aftermath of a violent confrontation at a protest rally, when Trump was talking about "fine people on both sides", he wasn't actually referring to the actual white supremists who were at the rally and were the topic of the conversation - he went off topic and started talking about people with a fetish for uniformed men made of marble.
  • Competent generals should always be honored, no matter how heinous the cause for which they devote their talents.
  • Raising people from a status of being property to being human beings with civil rights causes problems. These problems are bad enough they justify going to war.
  • Many people in the antebellum Northern US didn't like slavery, This was unprovoked aggression that justified going to war.
  • Mid-nineteenth century white Southern Americans who were angry that many Northerners were opposed to treating human beings as property.
    Early twenty-first century American conservatives who are angry that some cities require Federal immigration officials to carry out their duties without the assistance of local law enforcement.
    These two things are so similar that understanding one helps to understand the other.
  • This similar thing seems to be: white people get really, really angry when non-white people vote.
  • Jesus taught that his followers should be nice to people. If those people are Christians. Jesus thinks everyone else can just suck it.
That's what I like about EvC: I sure do learn a lot!

Hell hath no fury like a white man scorned. If you take nothing else from the Senate's confirmation of Brett Kavanaugh, take that much. -- Kai Wright

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Theodoric
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Message 1639 of 5796 (851925)
05-04-2019 10:46 AM
Reply to: Message 1637 by Faith
05-04-2019 10:16 AM


Re: Eisenhower's deportation
All I heard was that Eisenhower had deported a million illegal aliens, and that is literally ALL I heard
So again you accept right wing misinformation as fact and do not bother to confirm the information before you present it as fact.
Just that deportation is a way to deal with the illegals flooding into the country now. When I first heard that Eisenhower had done it I was surprised that it was possible in huge number
Asylum seekers are not "illegal". US and international law gives them the right and legal mechanism to apply for asylum. The current issue is being caused by donnie's illegal treatment of legal asylum seekers.
The sources you cited clearly state that a million immigrants were not deported by Eisenhower during Operation Wetback. Most of the more recent Presidents had more deportations.
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Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Faith 
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Message 1640 of 5796 (851926)
05-04-2019 10:51 AM
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05-04-2019 10:46 AM


Re: Eisenhower's deportation
Of course.
Actually "asylum seekers" are an iffy group, most of them not qualified for that status. "Donnie" isn't mistreating anyone. Obama did though.
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Message 1641 of 5796 (851927)
05-04-2019 10:55 AM
Reply to: Message 1638 by Chiroptera
05-04-2019 10:39 AM


Re: Summary of the thread
Trump made a distinction between "good people" or "fine people" and "bad people" on both sides. How he divided the crowd is not known.\\\
Reading further in your post I encounter your slur of conservatives and "white people." I get SO tired of this L-e-f-tist (censored by the Mad Censor as usua) lie.
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Theodoric
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Message 1642 of 5796 (851928)
05-04-2019 10:55 AM
Reply to: Message 1640 by Faith
05-04-2019 10:51 AM


Re: Eisenhower's deportation
You know this how? You do realize we have courts and judges that determine this and each case is different. Do you even know what qualifies people for asylum?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Faith 
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Message 1643 of 5796 (851929)
05-04-2019 10:59 AM
Reply to: Message 1642 by Theodoric
05-04-2019 10:55 AM


Re: Eisenhower's deportation
We've got so much corruption in the system these days including in the courts and judges I don't trust any of it. The whole country is falling apart internally. Don't even try to convince me there's anything legal about most of the asylum seekers. Nobody on the ELFT sees what the Muller "investigation" really was, a political attempt at a coup to cover up Hillary's criminal obstruction of justice in destroying her server that would reveal that she WAS emailing classified information. Trump is and always has been absolutely innocent of all the charges the FLET smears him with,and since that's the case, since there is no integrity there I know there is no integrity on their other issues either and flooding the nation with illegals is a big one.
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Theodoric
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Message 1644 of 5796 (851930)
05-04-2019 11:08 AM
Reply to: Message 1643 by Faith
05-04-2019 10:59 AM


Re: Eisenhower's deportation
Classic.
Dont confuse me with the facts my mind is made up
As always your racism is showing. Since you are back to just trolling. I will stop responding

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Faith 
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Message 1645 of 5796 (851931)
05-04-2019 11:09 AM
Reply to: Message 1644 by Theodoric
05-04-2019 11:08 AM


Re: Eisenhower's deportation
As always your lying ELFTIST smear tactic is showing. Oh and DO PLEASE stop responding. You are worse than any troll.
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PaulK
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Message 1646 of 5796 (851935)
05-04-2019 11:28 AM
Reply to: Message 1637 by Faith
05-04-2019 10:16 AM


Re: Eisenhower's deportation
quote:
All I heard was that Eisenhower had deported a million illegal aliens, and that is literally ALL I heard
In other words you didn’t read the history.com article that you linked to, showing that it was a nasty racist policy that failed ?

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PaulK
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Message 1647 of 5796 (851936)
05-04-2019 11:34 AM
Reply to: Message 1643 by Faith
05-04-2019 10:59 AM


Re: Eisenhower's deportation
quote:
Don't even try to convince me there's anything legal about most of the asylum seekers.
Because your bigotry is more important than International Law.
quote:
Nobody on the ELFT sees what the Muller "investigation" really was, a political attempt at a coup to cover up Hillary's criminal obstruction of justice in destroying her server that would reveal that she WAS emailing classified information.
Generally the problem is with people who believe insane lies, not those that see through them
quote:
Trump is and always has been absolutely innocent of all the charges the FLET smears him with,
That’s another silly lie.
quote:
...since that's the case, since there is no integrity there I know there is no integrity on their other issues either and flooding the nation with illegals is a big one.
I guess that you are referring to your own, obvious lack of integrity.

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Message 1648 of 5796 (851937)
05-04-2019 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 1627 by Faith
05-03-2019 11:12 PM


Re: Thanks to marc9000 for his kindness
Faith writes:
over the last thirty years or so I've read hundreds of theology works.... I'm talking about Reformation Protestant theology though, I don't pay much attention to other theologies.
Yes, if you read only books written in English, you could draw the conclusion that all books are written in English.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Phat
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Message 1649 of 5796 (851938)
05-04-2019 11:56 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Faith
09-07-2018 1:32 AM


Re: Twitter Bans Alex Jones
Faith writes:
Anyone here willing to stand up for Jones' right to free speech or is silencing him and undermining Trump the new standard of free speech applauded by you all?
I'm all in favor of free speech. As I create my new social media account, Thugpreacha I will be controversial---to the point that I will get flak from Christians, Muslims, Secular Humanists, and P.C. Progressives. My character is a work in progress and involves a lot of prayers and scriptural reading on my part.
Faith, responding to Theodoric writes:
instead of just blasting me about nothing why not try to figure out what I'm trying to say? I AM creating an argument here although it is clear few care enough to try to follow it.
I am attempting to follow it. You and I are so different. Diversity is a good thing, however. If everyone on the planet were Reformed Theology authoritarians, I seriously doubt whether God would be any more pleased than He is now.
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Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
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JonF
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Message 1650 of 5796 (851946)
05-04-2019 6:09 PM
Reply to: Message 1641 by Faith
05-04-2019 10:55 AM


Re: Summary of the thread
One side was Nazis and people who chose to march with Nazis at an event organized by Nazis and advertised as an event for Nazis.
The other side weren't any of that.
That's how the crowd divides.

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