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JonF
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Message 871 of 1385 (852280)
05-08-2019 6:32 PM
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05-08-2019 6:09 PM


So this thread is pointless.

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JonF
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Message 872 of 1385 (852281)
05-08-2019 6:35 PM
Reply to: Message 868 by Dredge
05-08-2019 6:20 PM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
What you have for the reptile jaw-mammalian inner-ear is a rehashed version of the nineteenth-century superstition of spontaneous generation
Spontaneous generation and the ToE are polar opposites. One could not "rework" one into the other.

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Dredge
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Message 873 of 1385 (852282)
05-08-2019 6:35 PM
Reply to: Message 779 by JonF
05-06-2019 5:40 PM


Re: Scientific theory and "proof" vs validation/s
JonF writes:
We have no credible evidence of advanced aliens
The best scientific explanation for fossil record is genetic engineering performed by aliens - this amounts to powerful scientific evidence of the existence of advanced aliens.
or interstellar travel.
Since we have scientific evidence for the existence of advanced aliens (ie, the fossil record), it can be assumed that interstellar travel has been achieved. How this was achieved is irrelevant to the validity of my "aliens did it" theory.
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Dredge
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Message 874 of 1385 (852286)
05-08-2019 6:51 PM
Reply to: Message 785 by edge
05-06-2019 5:55 PM


Re: Progressive Creation
edge writes:
Dredge writes:
According to Gunter Bechley, there is no evidence whatsoever of evolutionary ancestors of insects.
But you know that they appeared in the Cambrian Period, yes?
Precisely when insects appeared in the fossil record is irrelevant - the point is there is no fossil evidence of any evolutionary ancestors of insects.
Everyone has an opinion and he is entitled to his. The question is, what can you bring to the table here besides the opinion of others.
You could do a little research outside the confines of your little creationist box, however.
Evolution of insects - Wikipedia
1. You criticise me for relying on "the opinions of others", then you supply an opinion from Wiki to back up your own argument! The blatant hypocrisy is hilarious!
2. So the opinion of the nobodies at Wiki carries more weight than a world-renown palaeontologist with three insects named after him? More hilarity!
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Dredge
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Message 875 of 1385 (852287)
05-08-2019 6:54 PM
Reply to: Message 787 by JonF
05-06-2019 6:03 PM


Re: Progressive Creation
JonF writes:
Gets harder and harder to cram God/aliens into those gaps, amirite?
Why are you conflating a "God" theory and an "aliens" theory? There is no comparison - the former is theology and and the latter is science.
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ringo
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Message 876 of 1385 (852289)
05-08-2019 6:59 PM
Reply to: Message 873 by Dredge
05-08-2019 6:35 PM


Re: Scientific theory and "proof" vs validation/s
Dredge writes:
The best scientific explanation for fossil record is genetic engineering performed by aliens...
Mr. Occam would call that an "unnecessary enity". It is far from scientific.
Dredge writes:
... this amounts to powerful scientific evidence of the existence of advanced aliens.
No more than it points to the existence of scientifically advanced unicorns.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Dredge
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Message 877 of 1385 (852290)
05-08-2019 7:01 PM
Reply to: Message 790 by Tanypteryx
05-06-2019 6:18 PM


Re: Progressive Creation
Tanypteryx writes:
Well, I already know that you believe a lot of bullshit
An ad hominem attack is not science.
and your beliefs have no impact on reality.
Neither does the belief that all life on earth shares a common ancestor.
I also note that Bechly never includes his ID beliefs in his scientific papers on dragonfly fossils.
And this is a criticism? So funny!
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Dredge
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Message 878 of 1385 (852295)
05-08-2019 7:13 PM
Reply to: Message 791 by edge
05-06-2019 6:26 PM


Re: Progressive Creation
edge writes:
And the incompleteness of the fossil record makes that understandable.
What is the problem?
Unless, that is, you think that the fossil record is complete .
The Darwinian explanation is very poorly supported by the available fossil evidence, which features huge gaps - gaps that can be best explained by my "aliens did it" theory.
Who said it was steady?
Even with band-aid theories like PE, the fossil record should reveal a relatively steady process of evolution - but it often doesn't.
Your mechanism is unknown and unsupported.
Wrong. The mechanism of genetic engineering is not only known and supported, it is observable, repeatable and understood - unlike the nineteenth-century superstition of Darwinian macroevolution, which has never even been observed.
That's because there's more to it than just the fossils.
Yeah, right . that's why evolutionary theorists like Gerd Muller think the modern synthesis is inadequate and cannot explain the fossil record.
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JonF
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Message 879 of 1385 (852296)
05-08-2019 7:22 PM
Reply to: Message 873 by Dredge
05-08-2019 6:35 PM


Re: Scientific theory and "proof" vs validation/s
Wow, that's one very tight example of circular reasoning.

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Dredge
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Message 880 of 1385 (852297)
05-08-2019 7:24 PM
Reply to: Message 793 by Taq
05-06-2019 6:43 PM


Re: Progressive Creation - no predictive ability - take 2
Taq writes:
That's absolutely false. The observation of lineage specific adaptations and a phylogenetic signal tells us that the mechanism is vertical inheritance and lineage specific mutations.
That's one possible explanation . but one that can't be tested and confirmed. All things considered the evidence can be
best explained by genetic engineering performed by aliens.
Aliens don't explain the phylogenetic signal.
Why not?

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JonF
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Message 881 of 1385 (852298)
05-08-2019 7:25 PM
Reply to: Message 875 by Dredge
05-08-2019 6:54 PM


Re: Progressive Creation
God of the gaps.
Aliens of the gaps.
As we learn more the gaps get smaller no matter what you're trying to stuff in them.

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Tanypteryx
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Message 882 of 1385 (852300)
05-08-2019 7:32 PM
Reply to: Message 877 by Dredge
05-08-2019 7:01 PM


Re: Progressive Creation
Dredge writes:
Tanypteryx writes:
Well, I already know that you believe a lot of bullshit
An ad hominem attack is not science.
Well, you have not presented any science, so I was just describing what you have presented so far.
Dredge writes:
Tanypteryx writes:
and your beliefs have no impact on reality.
Neither does the belief that all life on earth shares a common ancestor.
If you encounter someone who believes that, let them know.
Dredge writes:
Tanypteryx writes:
I also note that Bechly never includes his ID beliefs in his scientific papers on dragonfly fossils.
And this is a criticism? So funny!
It wasn't meant as criticism. I have read his papers, have you? You have an odd sense of humor.
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What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Dredge
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Message 883 of 1385 (852301)
05-08-2019 7:36 PM
Reply to: Message 871 by JonF
05-08-2019 6:32 PM


JonF writes:
So this thread is pointless.
That would be a funny thing for an atheist to say - atheism means every living moment, every single thought, deed and emotion is pointless.

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Message 884 of 1385 (852304)
05-08-2019 7:38 PM
Reply to: Message 868 by Dredge
05-08-2019 6:20 PM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
Yup. Troll.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Dredge
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Message 885 of 1385 (852308)
05-08-2019 7:43 PM
Reply to: Message 876 by ringo
05-08-2019 6:59 PM


Re: Scientific theory and "proof" vs validation/s
Mr. Occan is both right and wrong:
"right" because all explanations for the fossil record are "unnecessary".
"wrong" because it is necessary to replace the childishly primitive Darwinian explanation with something more in tune with modernity - such as my "aliens did it" theory, the best scientific explanation for the fossil record.
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