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Dredge
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Message 886 of 1385 (852312)
05-08-2019 7:49 PM
Reply to: Message 881 by JonF
05-08-2019 7:25 PM


Re: Progressive Creation
JonF writes:
God of the gaps. Aliens of the gaps.
Don't forget, Evolution of the gaps.
As we learn more the gaps get smaller no matter what you're trying to stuff in them.
Where are the fossils that demonstrate the evolution of insects? Where are the transitionals between the Ediacaran fossils and animal fossils of the Cambrian. Or the links between sponges, worms, jelly-fish and fish?
Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.

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ringo
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Message 887 of 1385 (852313)
05-08-2019 7:50 PM
Reply to: Message 885 by Dredge
05-08-2019 7:43 PM


Re: Scientific theory and "proof" vs validation/s
Dredge writes:
Mr. Occan is both right and wrong:
"right" because all explanations for the fossil record are "unnecessary".
Occam's Razor is about the entities IN the explanation. It says nothing about the value of the explanation itself.

Hippopotamus.

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Tanypteryx
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Message 888 of 1385 (852317)
05-08-2019 7:54 PM
Reply to: Message 886 by Dredge
05-08-2019 7:49 PM


Re: Progressive Creation
Dredge writes:
Or the links between sponges, worms, jelly-fish and fish?
Why do you think there should be links between sponges, worms, jelly-fish and fish?

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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AZPaul3
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Message 889 of 1385 (852319)
05-08-2019 7:57 PM
Reply to: Message 878 by Dredge
05-08-2019 7:13 PM


Re: Progressive Creation
No, you don't get to besmirch Dr. Mller like that.
He's one of the good guys pushing the TOE in more detailed and technical directions, not dismantling it.
Your misrepresentation of his work is disingenuous, reprehensible, disgusting, but, expected from such a small mind.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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edge
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Message 890 of 1385 (852320)
05-08-2019 8:01 PM
Reply to: Message 856 by Dredge
05-08-2019 5:38 PM


Re: Progressive Creation
We know there is no known fossil evidence for evolution from E to C. Your evolution model relies on evidence that doesn't exist.
Untrue. We know that there were even pre-Ediacaran fossils that were even simpler and we know that some species in the Ediacaran have features that we find in Cambrian fauna. The Ediacaran fossils are almost certainly precursors to the Cambrian. That you cannot connect the dots is immaterial.
The huge jump from E to C is what the scientific mind would expect if aliens performed feats of genetic engineering.
Fine. Show us your evidence for alien genetic engineers. Talk about a huge gap in knowledge ...
I haven't tested it - to test is to confirm - I can't test/confirm my most excellent theory.
Well, let us know how it goes over the next century. Evolution is tested virtually every day now for longer than that.
The fossil record is my primary evidence for the aliens - the best scientific explanation for the history of life as revealed in the rocks is genetic engineering performed by aliens. Furthermore, science cannot rule out the existence of intelligent life from another planet.
I await your independent evidence.
And let's not forget the secondary forms of evidence that supports the existence of aliens - crop circles, abductions, UFO sightings, etc.
And let's not forget that I called Poe on you the other day.
Too easy - the mechanism is genetic engineering.
Fine, show me the facility and the operator. Those would be part of your mechanism.
The lack of evidence of evolutionary ancestors of animals.
You mean other than the orderly progression of life over geological time, yes?
1. One lucky find is not statistically significant.
It wasn't luck. It took a lot of hard work and persistence.
What have you done?
2. That lucky find can also be explained by my "aliens did it" theory.
And your posts can be explained by my Poe theory.
Big words frighten me.
Evidently.

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Dredge
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Message 891 of 1385 (852321)
05-08-2019 8:03 PM
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05-08-2019 7:54 PM


Re: Progressive Creation
Tanypteryx writes:
Why do you think there should be links between sponges, worms, jelly-fish and fish?
Because my understanding of what existed before fish is basically sponges, worms and jelly-fish - ie, invertebrates.
Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.

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edge
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Message 892 of 1385 (852323)
05-08-2019 8:06 PM
Reply to: Message 868 by Dredge
05-08-2019 6:20 PM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
What you have for the reptile jaw-mammalian inner-ear is a rehashed version of the nineteenth-century superstition of spontaneous generation - Darwinian evolution.
Whut?
Is this some kind of simple evasion? Please explain.
The best scientific explanation for reptile-mammal "evolution" is genetic engineering performed by aliens.
Yes, we understood you the first twenty times you said this.

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edge
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Message 893 of 1385 (852326)
05-08-2019 8:11 PM
Reply to: Message 874 by Dredge
05-08-2019 6:51 PM


Re: Progressive Creation
Precisely when insects appeared in the fossil record is irrelevant - the point is there is no fossil evidence of any evolutionary ancestors of insects.
It is relevant in determining that you have no idea what you are talking about.
1. You criticise me for relying on "the opinions of others", then you supply an opinion from Wiki to back up your own argument!
No, I criticize you for relying on invalid opinions.
If you think Wiki is wrong, you might tell us why.
The blatant hypocrisy is hilarious!
Just remember we are not laughing with you, we are laughing at you.
2. So the opinion of the nobodies at Wiki carries more weight than a world-renown palaeontologist with three insects named after him?
No, it carries more weight than a scientifically illiterate poster who has no background in research.
More hilarity!
Yes, you are a funny guy.
Edited by edge, : No reason given.

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JonF
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Message 894 of 1385 (852327)
05-08-2019 8:13 PM
Reply to: Message 886 by Dredge
05-08-2019 7:49 PM


Re: Progressive Creation
False dichotomy. Lack of understanding or evidence does not invalidate what we know.
By definition the gaps are where evolution isn't.

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edge
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Message 895 of 1385 (852329)
05-08-2019 8:16 PM
Reply to: Message 883 by Dredge
05-08-2019 7:36 PM


That would be a funny thing for an atheist to say - atheism means every living moment, every single thought, deed and emotion is pointless.
Off topic, but interesting since it comes from someone who relies on an outside agent to provide him a point for every living moment, every thought and every emotion.

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Tanypteryx
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Message 896 of 1385 (852330)
05-08-2019 8:17 PM
Reply to: Message 891 by Dredge
05-08-2019 8:03 PM


Re: Progressive Creation
Dredge writes:
Tanypteryx writes:
Why do you think there should be links between sponges, worms, jelly-fish and fish?
Because my understanding of what existed before fish is basically sponges, worms and jelly-fish - ie, invertebrates.
So? I'm still not seeing the connection.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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JonF
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Message 897 of 1385 (852331)
05-08-2019 8:17 PM
Reply to: Message 883 by Dredge
05-08-2019 7:36 PM


Um, no. I'm not an atheist but I know why atheists do not find everything pointless. The answer begins with "ev" and ends with "on".
You wrote "Null and void. A scientific theory doesn't need a practical application to be accepted as valid."
So whether or not the concept of the LUCA has practical application is irrelevant.
As is this entire thread.

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edge
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Message 898 of 1385 (852332)
05-08-2019 8:20 PM
Reply to: Message 889 by AZPaul3
05-08-2019 7:57 PM


Re: Progressive Creation
No, you don't get to besmirch Dr. Mller like that.
He's one of the good guys pushing the TOE in more detailed and technical directions, not dismantling it.
Your misrepresentation of his work is disingenuous, reprehensible, disgusting, but, expected from such a small mind.
This is a disturbing trend that seems to be growing. Somehow, learning about evolution is undermining evolution.

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AZPaul3
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Message 899 of 1385 (852333)
05-08-2019 8:22 PM
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05-08-2019 8:17 PM


So whether or not the concept of the LUCA has practical application is irrelevant.
As is this entire thread.
Oh, I don't know about that. I'm enjoying this thread. This kid's hilarious.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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edge
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Message 900 of 1385 (852334)
05-08-2019 8:26 PM
Reply to: Message 863 by Dredge
05-08-2019 6:03 PM


Re: does a species from one genus evolve into a species from another genus ... yes
The best scientific explanation for the appearance of a new genus is genetic engineering performed by aliens.
I think you mean that the intellectually laziest explanation is genetic engineering by aliens.
You can make up whatever you want, yes? You aren't even constrained by a Bible.

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