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ringo
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Message 724 of 1184 (849449)
03-10-2019 2:27 PM
Reply to: Message 723 by marc9000
03-09-2019 10:01 PM


Re: Are you sane and stable? How do you know?
marc9000 writes:
U.S. continued existence simply isn't represented by calls for free health care, free college education, eliminating fossil fuels in 10 years etc. It's not possible for productive people in a society like that to have "liberty and pursuit of happiness".
If anything, it's easier to pursue happiness when you're healthy.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 748 of 1184 (850564)
04-10-2019 2:31 PM
Reply to: Message 747 by Faith
04-10-2019 2:16 PM


Re: Sanity Reigns in the Southern Hemisphere
Faith writes:
No American who speaks of any part of our Constitution as archaic and anachronistic deserves to be called rational or sane.
Allowing only men to vote is archaic.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 750 of 1184 (850573)
04-10-2019 3:13 PM
Reply to: Message 749 by Faith
04-10-2019 2:38 PM


Re: Sanity Reigns in the Southern Hemisphere
Faith writes:
You have absolutely no respect for history.
You're the one who is ignoring history. The original Constitution denied women the right to vote. The 19th Amendment corrected that. Are you suggesting that the denying women the vote is not archaic?
I personally believe that even people as ignorant and hateful as you should be allowed to vote.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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From: frozen wasteland
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Message 771 of 1184 (852363)
05-09-2019 2:18 PM
Reply to: Message 770 by Percy
05-09-2019 2:00 PM


Re: We Need Fewer Guns
Percy writes:
How could this be that those who purposefully place themselves in the line of fire die less often than young children?
One possible argument (which the gun nuts might not be comfortable using) is that criminals are better at gun safety than the average parent.

Hippopotamus.

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ringo
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Message 781 of 1184 (852725)
05-16-2019 11:43 AM
Reply to: Message 778 by Hyroglyphx
05-16-2019 10:59 AM


Re: Is a lifetime of due diligence even possible?
Hyroglyphx writes:
But then, insurance is more likely to never be used at all... which is why being in the insurance business is profitable. But it sure is nice to have when its needed.
The flaw in that analogy being that insurance is less likely to kill your children.

Welcome back, Faith.

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ringo
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Message 785 of 1184 (852731)
05-16-2019 12:55 PM
Reply to: Message 784 by Hyroglyphx
05-16-2019 12:36 PM


Re: Is a lifetime of due diligence even possible?
Hyroglyphx writes:
ringo writes:
The flaw in that analogy being that insurance is less likely to kill your children.
I'm not sure what your argument is, can you expound?
It's the same as the argument against, "Cars kill more people than guns."
A car is useful, maybe necessary; a gun is not. Insurance is useful, maybe necessary; a gun is not.
To quote you again: "But then, insurance is more likely to never be used at all... which is why being in the insurance business is profitable. But it sure is nice to have when its needed." A gun is never "needed". More often than not, it is a detriment rather than an asset.

Welcome back, Faith.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 794 of 1184 (852759)
05-16-2019 2:33 PM
Reply to: Message 791 by Hyroglyphx
05-16-2019 2:05 PM


Re: Is a lifetime of due diligence even possible?
Hyroglyphx writes:
So a gun has no use?
For the vast majority of people, that is correct, no useful purpose. There are misuses for guns and counter-productive purposes.
I imagine the efficacy of an army armed with only flower power.
Let's leave the goalposts in one place, shall we? This thread is about civilian ownership of guns.
I'm thinking it is needed when people are trying to kill you.
Nope. I've survived 66 years without ever needing a gun to prevent anybody from killing me. (And if I had had a gun, what would have prevented myself from killing me?)
What exactly is your plan if you face such a scenario? Read them passages from Gandhi about the philosophy of pacifism and hope they have a sudden change of heart?
Step 1. Live in a society where every bozo on the street doesn't have the hardware to kill me quickly and easily. If he wants to kill me with a nail clipper or a pencil, let him have at it and I'll take my chances.
To tell the truth, I don't think I would want to kill somebody just to save myself.

Welcome back, Faith.

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ringo
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Message 805 of 1184 (852902)
05-20-2019 12:49 PM
Reply to: Message 803 by Percy
05-20-2019 8:21 AM


Re: T-Shirt Opportunity
If you think guns don't kill people, try killing forty people with a spoon.

Izquierdo.

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ringo
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Message 826 of 1184 (861923)
08-29-2019 12:13 PM
Reply to: Message 824 by Trump won
08-28-2019 11:23 PM


a servant of Christ writes:
why aren't all mentally ill people killing others?
For the same reason that all physically ill people don't limp: different illnesses have different symptoms.

"Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns"
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 432 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 845 of 1184 (870069)
01-11-2020 11:35 AM
Reply to: Message 844 by Theodoric
01-10-2020 1:48 PM


Re: Licenses Should be Required of All Guns Owners
Theodoric writes:
Are you saying that gun owners can only be licensed under force of arms?
There's that "law-abiding gun owners" thing again - They'll obey any law but that one.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
Member (Idle past 432 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 867 of 1184 (886226)
05-11-2021 10:38 AM
Reply to: Message 865 by jar
05-11-2021 10:07 AM


Re: Violence and root causes.
jar writes:
The gun is NOT the problem, it is the society and lack of social support.
The problem is a society that wants guns.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 889 of 1184 (886264)
05-12-2021 10:06 AM
Reply to: Message 879 by Phat
05-12-2021 12:25 AM


Re: Violence and root causes.
Phat writes:
So how do we educate,inspire, and discipline this society that wants guns?
You can't. As I pointed out in another post once upon a time, your country has had this problem for hundreds of years.
Phat writes:
Some of us resist a government that forces laws on us.
And there you go. That's the root of the problem.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
Member (Idle past 432 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 893 of 1184 (886268)
05-12-2021 5:21 PM
Reply to: Message 890 by Phat
05-12-2021 10:36 AM


Re: Violence and root causes.
Phat writes:
Perhaps, but we cant simply have 51% of the people voting in laws that 100% are required to follow.
Actually, it's considerably less than 51%.
Phat writes:
It is my argument against mandatory reparations that jar questions the problem with.
You seem to be the only one talking about "mandatory reparations". But yes, when you do something wrong, reparations are an important step in doing what's right.
Phat writes:
49% of us do not believe that white Christians were the problem that reparations and rewriting History are supposed to help solve.
It really doesn't matter whether you believe it or not. If a plurality elects representatives who believe that reparations are the way to go, then reparations you will pay.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
Member (Idle past 432 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 901 of 1184 (886283)
05-13-2021 10:36 AM
Reply to: Message 896 by Phat
05-13-2021 8:45 AM


Re: Violence and root causes.
Phat writes:
ringo writes:
If a plurality elects representatives who believe that reparations are the way to go, then reparations you will pay.
There is always a way to challenge authority.
Of course. There are all kinds of legal challenges and pressures along to way to a law being enacted. But once the law is enacted, civilized people render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's. They don't storm the Capitol.
Phat writes:
I have a fear of snakes who are smarter than God.
They're not necessarily smarter than God - just more honest.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
Member (Idle past 432 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 921 of 1184 (894756)
05-28-2022 12:41 PM
Reply to: Message 920 by Percy
05-28-2022 8:41 AM


Re: Don't Expect Much
"Oh my God, what's that sound? Is someone breaking in? This is America, he could have a gun. Why, oh why, didn't I buy a gun. If I get through this, tomorrow I'm going down to Walmart and buying a gun."
In Canada, if somebody tries to break in while I'm home, I'm going to beat him to death with my cane and roll his bloody corpse down the stairs. Tomorrow I might have to buy a new cane.
(Full dislusure: It was my dad's cane. He used it only for the last year or so of his life. When he died at 85 in 1997, one of the neighbours suggested I should keep his cane. So far, I've only used if for planning to kill burglars.)
(It has a nice retractable ice-spike on the end, so....)

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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