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dwise1
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Message 1313 of 5796 (851025)
04-18-2019 2:13 PM
Reply to: Message 1310 by Faith
04-18-2019 1:56 PM


Oh pull your head out and stop avoiding the point. They did horrendously terrible things to other people in the belief that they were doing the right thing. Like the "true Christians" wanting to enact draconian laws with disproportional punishments because they think that's what their god wants, because they think that's what the Bible says.
Yet again, just exactly what does the Bible actually say about abortion? You keep avoiding that simple question.

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Message 1319 of 5796 (851050)
04-18-2019 3:28 PM
Reply to: Message 1315 by Faith
04-18-2019 2:16 PM


I don't have the patience to deal with your Catholic propaganda right now. Perhaps if you provided whatever bogus evidence you can drum up I can come back to it later.
It's just straight forward widely known history. Are you really that ignorant of basic history? Or do you just hate reality so much?
And we both know -- everybody here knows -- that no amount of evidence would suffice, since you willfully ignore all evidence that you wouldn't like. You have even admitted that you simply refuse to read any of it.
So here you are basically the arrogant Gentile demanding Pharisee Rabbi Hillel to explain the entire Torah to him while he stood on one foot *, only you want me to present you with the entirety of history. Why would any reasonable person (eg, me) go through such a Herculean effort for an unreasonable person (ie, you) who would just ignore it all in yet another act of willful stupidity?
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FOOTNOTE *:
When that Gentile tried that on Rabbi Shammai, he grabbed a stick and chased the fool away. Rabbi Hillel responded with the Golden Rule:
quote:
What is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow: this is the whole Torah; the rest is the explanation; go and learn.
That was in 20 BCE, a full half century before Jesus purportedly repeated that Pharisee teaching circa 30 CE.
I had always thought that it was Rabbi Hillel who was supposed to stand on one foot, but apparently it was the Gentile, so his demand was for an extremely short yet complete answer. This is suggested by a detail on the Knesset Menorah which shows the Gentile standing on one foot, not Rabbi Hillel.
So unlike Faith, I am willing to learn something and am glad when I do.

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Message 1320 of 5796 (851053)
04-18-2019 3:41 PM
Reply to: Message 1314 by Faith
04-18-2019 2:14 PM


Oh Gosh another Sturdy Leftism: I "hate" Catholics? No, I feel sorry for them that they are still in thrall to the Antichrist Pope. Scripture tells them to "come out of her My people," the "her" being the Harlot Church astride the Beast in the Book of Revelation. The Reformers along with half of Europe came out of her, so should the rest of them.
Yes, you do. You have expressed that repeatedly and vehemently for years on this forum. Unlike you, we read what's been posted, so we know you far too well.
And your hypocrisy is not lost on us either. You decry the "Harlot Church astride the Beast" (sounds like something straight out of a Chick Pubs tract, though done much better in National Lampoon's Son-O-God Comics) , yet you yourself follow and worship The Beast, which is who Trump clearly is according to the Bible (not that you would ever read it; you don't even know what it actually says about abortion). I'll bet you even wear the Sign of the Beast on your forehead (ie, have and wear a MAGA cap).

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Message 1324 of 5796 (851071)
04-18-2019 8:56 PM
Reply to: Message 1322 by Faith
04-18-2019 8:41 PM


You posted a bunch of pro abortion propaganda and I did think I answered it sufficiently.
uh, no, he didn't, and no, you didn't.
Try again. But this time, please actually try.

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Message 1329 of 5796 (851076)
04-18-2019 9:27 PM
Reply to: Message 1323 by Faith
04-18-2019 8:47 PM


I read some of it but it's ridiculous to think she'd give false information that could be checked so easily. Besides I recall it as thirteen weeks, not ten, and she'd seen her own baby on ultrasound at the same stage. She'd simply not seen an abortion performed while watching the baby on the ultrasound screen. What upset her as I recall was seeing the fetus try to jerk away from the instrument trying to kill it. She was horrified because she'd thought at that stage they couldn't feel anything and was seeing that obviously it does feel.
So then your excuse is medical ignorance? All your excuses on all kinds of issues (eg, geology, genetics) are based on complete and total ignorance of whatever you are yammering and pontificating about. Here's a quote from a famous ancient Chinese general, Sun Tzu:
quote:
Scroll III (Offensive Strategy):
31. Therefore I say: "Know the enemy and know yourself; in a hundred battles you will never be in peril.
32. When you are ignorant of the enemy but know yourself, your chances of winning or losing are equal.
33. If ignorant both of your enemy and of yourself, you are certain in every battle to be in peril."
If you are ignorant of your enemy, your only chance is to know yourself. Yet you do not know yourself (eg, what does the Bible actually say about abortion? Oh yeah, you have absolutely no idea!), so you automatically place yourself in the position of being constantly in peril.
For a change, please do some actual research. Find out all the medical aspects of abortion and of embryonic/fetal development. Until you have done that, you cannot possibly know anything about this issue.
Have you never been in a high school physiology class? Preparing for Alessandro Volta's classic experiment of a frog's leg muscle's response to electricity we were lectured on how to perform a "double-pithing": first you insert the needle-like probe into the frog's brain and move it about to destroy the brain tissue, but then you drive it straight down the spine to destroy the spinal cord. Well, somebody had set the refrigerator's thermostat too low which killed all our frogs, so we had to skip that experiment. But if we had done it, then the dissected and dead frog-leg muscles would have responded to the electrical stimuli. Did those dead frog-leg muscles feel anything? They reacted, but did they feel?
I remember when my mother died. Long suffering from adult-onset diabetes, she needed cardiac by-pass surgery and her indominable spirit misled her surgeon into thinking she was strong enough. She wasn't. There was an implanted bladder that helped her heart. Her organs were failing and we turned that off according to her wishes. Her body seemed to carry on past that point.
With medical training, you could determine those things. Without it, you have nothing to go on.
She was horrified because she'd thought at that stage they couldn't feel anything and was seeing that obviously it does feel.
She worked in administration with no medical training that we know of. How could she possibly assess what she was seeing?
Learn something about what you are opposing! Your persistent refusal to do so only betrays the weaknesses of your own position.

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Message 1330 of 5796 (851077)
04-18-2019 9:31 PM
Reply to: Message 1325 by Faith
04-18-2019 8:58 PM


And Ms Oh-oh is a she.
Faith's brain obviously just stopped working.
Edited by dwise1, : clean-up

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Message 1336 of 5796 (851127)
04-20-2019 2:54 AM
Reply to: Message 1335 by Theodoric
04-19-2019 10:28 PM


Did you bother to read the article?
Of course not! She never reads anything that could ever contradict what she already believes. She willfully practices willful stupidity, denying reality when it conflicts with her own personal delusions.

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Message 1421 of 5796 (851474)
04-25-2019 2:01 PM
Reply to: Message 1418 by PaulK
04-25-2019 1:49 PM


Re: It's PP against Abby Johnson and I trust her
... , if anyone else does do the checks and exposes the falsehoods she’ll go off on a rant about “smears”.
Including when it's by an anti-abortion source as provided in Message 1416.
Oh the irony!

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Message 1494 of 5796 (851600)
04-29-2019 12:21 PM
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04-29-2019 11:54 AM


Re: The fake news about Charlottesville answered again
Perhaps you're not slamming your head into brick walls often and hard enough.

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Message 1512 of 5796 (851637)
04-29-2019 9:46 PM
Reply to: Message 1510 by Faith
04-29-2019 8:45 PM


Re: The fake news about Charlottesville answered again
You really need to stop spending all your time talking to and reviling that image in the mirror.
HINT: It's not another person.
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"Don't do what the voices tell you! They're not your friend!"
(Malcolm in the Middle, Reese's advice to younger brother, Dewey)
Edited by dwise1, : Added "and reviling"

Honor, Courage, Commitment
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A Christian once asked what I as an atheist believed in. My spontaneous and totally honest answer was sounded corny, but it was true: "Truth, Justice, and the American Way." That's still my answer today.
GOP Values: Hypocrisy, Corruption, Greed, Lying, Cheating, Voter Suppression, Election Fraud, Conspiring with the Enemy
" ... how hard can that be, to say that Nazis are bad?!"
(Barack Obama)
"How are we still fighting Nazis today?"
(Daisy Johnson, S5E15)
"Nance's Law: Coincidence takes a lot of planning."
(Malcolm Nance)
It is a well-known fact that reality has a definite liberal bias.
(Steven Colbert on NPR)

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Message 1594 of 5796 (851825)
05-02-2019 7:23 PM
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05-02-2019 6:41 PM


Re: The fake news about Charlottesville answered again
({Trump} had nothing to do with the tax bill other than signing it.)
And to go to Mar-a-Lago to boast to his friends how he had just made them all so much richer.

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Message 1626 of 5796 (851888)
05-03-2019 10:33 PM
Reply to: Message 1615 by Faith
05-03-2019 2:11 PM


Re: Thanks to marc9000 for his kindness
Theology takes the entire book into account ...
Uh, no, not even close. While what you describe should be the ideal for all theologies to strive for, none of them do.
There are a multitude of theologies, not just one. Indeed, their name should be Legion since they are so many. Indeed, the actual case is that every individual creates his own personal theology, which turns out to be his own imperfect and flawed understanding (AKA "misunderstanding") of his teachers' and preachers' own misunderstandings of their teachers' and preachers' own misunderstandings of ... etc ad infinitum. As Thomas Paine pointed out, Revelation is Revelation only to that one person to which It is revealed. The moment he tells It to another person, It becomes hearsay. As as it (no longer "It") gets repeated from person to person, it becomes hearsay upon hearsay many times over. My opinion is that Thomas Paine was very over-optimistic.
Ironically, it is reading the entire book and taking the entire book into account that has turned several Bible scholars into atheists. And trying to read the entire Bible in context has created many more atheists, including this one.
Just shows your ignorance.
I see that you are still arguing with that person in the mirror. HINT: It's you.

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Message 1833 of 5796 (852367)
05-09-2019 2:58 PM
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05-09-2019 12:23 PM


Re: Racist actions?
And then taking those papers away from the workers, keeping them locked up in the office. That way the workers are forced to stay there. Common practice in human trafficking.
I wonder if anyone has started to investigate them.

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Message 1840 of 5796 (852380)
05-09-2019 6:43 PM
Reply to: Message 1834 by Faith
05-09-2019 3:58 PM


Re: Cost of Illegal Immigration
FAIR, "Federation for American Immigration Reform":
quote:
The Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) is a non-profit tax exempt organization in the United States that self-identifies as an organization seeking to reduce both legal and illegal immigration.[6] The group publishes position papers, organizes events, and runs campaigns in order to influence US immigration policies. The Southern Poverty Law Center classifies FAIR as a hate group with close ties to white supremacist groups.
FAIR was founded in 1979 by the ophthalmologist John Tanton, former historian of labor movements and director of the Center for the Study of Democratic Institutions Otis L. Graham, Jr. and Sidney Swensrud, a former chairman of Gulf Oil and former governing board member of Planned Parenthood.
Tanton became leader of several anti-immigration groups and held white supremacist beliefs while he led the organization.
Instead of this Nazi propaganda piece, we need to see an actual study which accurately identifies and tallies both the costs and the revenue contributions of immigrants, including illegals. Remember, you need to look at both sides of the ledger, revenues as well as expenses. And we're not going to get that kind of information from your Nazi friends.

Honor, Courage, Commitment
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A Christian once asked what I as an atheist believed in. My spontaneous and totally honest answer was sounded corny, but it was true: "Truth, Justice, and the American Way." That's still my answer today.
GOP Values: Hypocrisy, Corruption, Greed, Lying, Cheating, Voter Suppression, Election Fraud, Conspiring with the Enemy
" ... how hard can that be, to say that Nazis are bad?!"
(Barack Obama)
"How are we still fighting Nazis today?"
(Daisy Johnson, S5E15)
"Nance's Law: Coincidence takes a lot of planning."
(Malcolm Nance)
It is a well-known fact that reality has a definite liberal bias.
(Steven Colbert on NPR)

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Message 1844 of 5796 (852431)
05-10-2019 2:57 PM
Reply to: Message 1843 by Taq
05-10-2019 1:14 PM


Re: Cost of Illegal Immigration
If all those illegal immigrants left and those jobs were filled by citizens then the same problem would exist.
In general, yes, but I think it would be worse with citizens. Citizens would be more eligible for benefits, so if we keep all the numbers the same (ie, number of and size and composition of families in that bracket that would need benefits, same amount of tax revenues being generated by those families) then we would expect to see more citizens receiving benefits because they qualify for them than illegal immigrants who do not qualify for benefits. Same amount of money going into the system and more coming out results in higher net losses. Accounting 101 (which I did take in 1970).
In terms of taxes, we should point out that cities' and counties' major sources of income are from property tax and (for cities especially) business licenses and taxes (also additional sales tax in some cities). Neither low-income group, illegal immigrants and legal citizens alike), pay any of those directly (outside of additional sales tax), so "studies" such as Faith's Nazi piece could try to claim that illegal immigrants take advantage of our public schools without paying for any part of that system, but then the same could be argued for poor legal citizens and that argument would be false in both cases. Part of every renter's rent payment is used by the property owner to pay his property taxes, so every renter does still pay into the taxes for public schools albeit indirectly.
So my point is that when these kinds of arguments are used, they must take all factors into account and must do so honestly.

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