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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
... never happened,
From the Guardian: Workers barely benefited from Trump’s sweeping tax cut, investigation shows The 2017 Tax and Jobs Act - the Trump administration’s one major piece of enacted legislation - did deliver the biggest corporate tax cut in US history, but ultimately workers benefited almost not at all. That big fat ol' tax cut turned out to be a big gift to the large corporations which failed to pass much at all to their employees, and was full of additional loopholes and mistake since it was rushed through with little to no chance of adequate debate. None of which is a surprise to the people who were warning of exactly this at the time.Hell hath no fury like a white man scorned. If you take nothing else from the Senate's confirmation of Brett Kavanaugh, take that much. -- Kai Wright |
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4440 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Lie No. 10,000 is really a whopper
quote: What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq |
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Percy Member Posts: 22489 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
As we now know, after Barr released his letter exonerating Trump of obstruction of justice, Mueller sent Barr a memo on March 27 saying that Barr's letter "did not fully capture the context, nature, and substance" of the report. Here's a link to Mueller's memo, and here is that full paragraph:
quote: In testimony before Congress in early April Barr stated that he did not know why there were reports that members of Mueller's staff were dissatisfied with the Barr letter, apparently believing the fact that Mueller himself had expressed dissatisfaction not worth mentioning. In today's testimony before Congress Barr defended his earlier answer as accurate to the question, as if he was unaware that the questioner was seeking to establish whether the Mueller team agreed with Barr's statement of the report's primary findings. Growing numbers of Democratic House members are becoming increasingly distrustful of Barr's statements, and calls for his impeachment are beginning to be heard. --Percy
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4440 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
DONALD TRUMP SAYS GAMING TAX SYSTEM WAS ”SPORT’ WHILE HE ADMONISHES POOR AMERICANS FOR USING WELFARE
quote: quote: What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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jar Member (Idle past 419 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
One important thing to remember is that there are limits on Presidential Pardons.
A President cannot grant pardons related to an Act of Impeachment. A President cannot grant a pardon for any State or Local crimes. A President cannot issue pardons for any crimes committed in any other Nation. This is why it is so important to Follow the Money. If the money trail shows any State, Local, or International crimes were committed by Trump or Trump Inc or any of the Trump family or any of the Trumpians those crimes cannot be pardoned by Trump or any other President.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4440 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
This is all true, but of course he is stacking the federal courts, hoping appeals will fall in his favor.
And there is no way to hold him accountable for the long term damage he is doing to every agency, State, Interior, EPA, law enforcement, intelligence, experts gone in every field instead of training future experts. Corrupt clowns, both confirmed by the Senate AND unconfirmed by the Senate running the dismantling of those agencies.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5949 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Another interesting thing about Presidential pardons is that by receiving one, you can still be called in to testify in that investigation and you can no longer plead the Fifth.
The reason for pleading the Fifth is to avoid self-incrimination. But if you've been pardoned, then you no longer have any reason to avoid self-incrimination -- indeed, by accepting that pardon you have effectively admitted your guilt, it's just that you won't pay the penalty for it. That means that if called in to testify, you will not only have no excuse for not testifying, but you also cannot refuse to answer any of the questions. And if you lie, then it's perjury which is not what you were pardoned for. So if Trump were to start giving out pardons like candy, it will backfire on him.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8546 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
And there is no way to hold him accountable for the long term damage he is doing to every agency... I think the departments and the rest of the civil service can recover with a new administration albeit a lot of those loses will not be recovered in the rebuilding. The environmental and political damage done to the world, however, may take decades to fix if they can be fixed at all.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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JonF Member (Idle past 193 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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Definition of Trump from a Brit
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Percy Member Posts: 22489 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
There's been a new development in the Assange case (Swedish prosecutor reopens Assange rape investigation, will seek extradition). Assange is no longer under Ecuadorian protection and is serving a 50 week sentence in a British prison, so a Swedish prosecutor has stated that she will continue and conclude the investigation into rape allegations and seek a European Arrest Warrant to gain Assange's extradition to Sweden. The US also has an extradition request. Once Assange completes his British prison time the UK will decide which extradition request to honor first.
I remain surprised that the US has maintained its extradition request for Assange. His prison term will expire next year just as the US presidential election is whipping into high gear, and the possible impact on the Trump administration ranges from inconsequential to embarrassing to criminal. Maybe Assange will reveal nothing of import, or maybe he'll testify that Roger Stone or his emissaries visited him several times in the Ecuadorian embassy and discussed the timing of the release of emails and how to obtain more. A Swedish arrest warrant helps the Trump administration, which I am guessing will negotiate with the British behind the scenes to have them honor the Swedish arrest warrant first. This will put Assange in Sweden for the duration of the US presidential election and safely out of harm's way. --Percy
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vimesey Member (Idle past 98 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: |
Just heard a piece on the radio about the Swedish extradition case. It’s quite likely, apparently, that the extradition proceedings could be strung out long enough by Assange’s team, for the limitation period in Sweden to expire. Watch this space.
Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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Percy Member Posts: 22489 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
Attorney General William Barr has appointed a prosecutor to investigate the origins of the Russia probe to see if the FBI did anything unlawful or inappropriate. Barr is most likely interested in how the FBI obtained a surveillance warrant for Trump associate Carter Page, and their use of an informant to gain information from Trump campaign foreign policy adviser George Papadopoulos (Barr appoints prosecutor to examine Russia probe origins).
Suspicion of FBI malfeasance by the Attorney General is sufficient to justify this probe into a probe, but Barr isn't any ordinary Attorney General. Through his false characterization of Mueller report conclusions, by his exoneration of Trump of any obstruction of justice, and by his referring to FBI surveillance as spying, Barr has revealed himself as a Trump partisan, the president's attorney, and not the people's lawyer. There is a very real possibility that no matter what the Russia probe probe finds, Barr will mischaracterize it as finding misbehavior by the FBI. This is what Trump wants, so that's what Barr will find. --Percy
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
Under normal circumstances, I wouldn't object to the examination of a law enforcement agency's investigation of a political campaign. As those of us who remember COINTELPRO will point out, investigation opposition campaigns can have a "chilling effect" on the democratic process and can be open to abuse. Government officials need to be ready to explain to the public openly and cleary how their actions were fair and appropriate.
On the other hand, we also have ample evidence that the Trumpistas themselves can't be trusted to be fair or appropriate and that "chilling" any process that opposes them is the actual intent of this. Here is an additional New York Times article on this:
Barr Assigns U.S. Attorney in Connecticut to Review Origins of Russia Inquiry I haven't yet read anything that John Durham, the one who will conduct this investigation, will be a political hack for the Administration. But I agree with Percy that the real danger is that the Administration will twist and mischaracterize any result from this investigation, especially if there does turn out to be any impropriety however minor. But what worries me more is how this is going to be used in the meantime in the propoganda war. The Democrats are going to need to be careful to stay focused and on topic during their campaigns and not get sucked into an unnecessary distraction.Hell hath no fury like a white man scorned. If you take nothing else from the Senate's confirmation of Brett Kavanaugh, take that much. -- Kai Wright
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9196 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
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I think Barr chose him for a reason and it is not to get to the truth.
quote: The prosecutor Barr selected to investigate Mueller let the Bush CIA walk away from torture chargesFacts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1529 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
Barr is also a Reagan era fixer.
William Barr Supported Pardons In An Earlier D.C. 'Witch Hunt': Iran-Contra : NPR"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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