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Chiroptera
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Message 1745 of 5796 (852178)
05-07-2019 8:55 PM
Reply to: Message 1707 by Percy
05-07-2019 10:51 AM


Re: When Confederate Monuments Were Built is Important
I think Faith's "men of their time" arguments for Southern Civil heroes have significant merit.
I've already said this, but I'll go ahead and repeat it.
In my opinion, the secessionists and pro-slavery people stand guilty even in the context of the times. The evils of slavery were by this time pretty well understood over most of the world. Nations that allowed it were, at this time, forbidding it in their countries, Nations that had already prohibited it were extending the prohibition to their colonies. European nations were collaborating to stop the international slave trade, even interdicting ships on the high seas.
The Southern US were very well aware that the world was turning against them. The Southern states were passing laws prohibiting literature and advocating ending slavery. In Congress, their representatives were forcing the end of compromises that had been made in the past and Congress even adopted rules that they would no longer hear anti-slavery petitions.
It seems clear to me that the times and culture no more excused Southern slavery supporters in their fight against their times than today's times and culture excuses contemporary homophobes and anti-immigration bigots.
I agree that it is often a tricky thing to try to judge a person within the context of their cultural milieu, but I don't think that in this case it really helps the memory of the Confederate generals or politicians.

Hell hath no fury like a white man scorned. If you take nothing else from the Senate's confirmation of Brett Kavanaugh, take that much. -- Kai Wright

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Chiroptera
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Message 1851 of 5796 (852533)
05-13-2019 9:27 AM
Reply to: Message 1850 by JonF
05-13-2019 9:14 AM


Re: Trump is clueless about who pays tarrifs
Does anyone remain on the Right who gives even cursory thought to any question?

Hell hath no fury like a white man scorned. If you take nothing else from the Senate's confirmation of Brett Kavanaugh, take that much. -- Kai Wright

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Chiroptera
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Message 1857 of 5796 (852584)
05-14-2019 9:40 AM
Reply to: Message 1856 by JonF
05-14-2019 9:03 AM


Re: Trump Administration likes FGM
I admit that I was a bit confused when I first heard this story. The current US Rightwing ideology basically comes down to: "Stuff I hate should be prohibited and is unconstitutional. Stuff I like is allowed and should be constitutional." And they've never let consistency stand in their way of twisting the Constitution to make up support for their positions. So the Trump Administration refuses to make up a Constitutional position against FGM? If they're just too damn lazy, they could just keep to the position in the suit that was going forward.

Hell hath no fury like a white man scorned. If you take nothing else from the Senate's confirmation of Brett Kavanaugh, take that much. -- Kai Wright

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Chiroptera
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Message 1884 of 5796 (852624)
05-14-2019 6:11 PM


David Cole on the Mueller Report
By happy coincidence, I just downloaded the latest issue of The New York Review of Books. First article:
An Indictment in All But Name
by David Cole.
Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s long-awaited report, released to the public in a redacted version on April 18, lays out in meticulous detail both a blatantly illegal effort by Russia to throw the 2016 presidential election to Donald Trump and repeated efforts by President Trump to end, limit, or impede Mueller’s investigation of Russian interference. Trump’s efforts included firing or attempting to fire those overseeing the investigation, directing subordinates to lie on his behalf, cajoling witnesses not to cooperate, and doctoring a public statement about a Trump Tower meeting between his son and closest advisers and a Russian lawyer offering compromising information on Hillary Clinton.

Hell hath no fury like a white man scorned. If you take nothing else from the Senate's confirmation of Brett Kavanaugh, take that much. -- Kai Wright

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Chiroptera
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Message 1895 of 5796 (852640)
05-14-2019 8:24 PM
Reply to: Message 1889 by Faith
05-14-2019 6:30 PM


Re: David Cole on the Mueller Report
I thought it was agood article myself. One of the better short discussions of the Mueller report.

If this was a witch hunt, it found a lot of witches. -- David Cole, writing about the Mueller investigation.

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Chiroptera
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Message 1906 of 5796 (852660)
05-15-2019 9:03 AM


The Durham "Review"
The New York Times reported this morning that the "investigation" of the alleged spying on the Trump campaign will be a "review", not a criminal investigation.
Scrutiny of Russia Investigation Is Said to Be a Review, Not a Criminal Inquiry
The difference is that in a review, Durham won't have the authority to subpeona documents or compell witnesses to testisfy.
But the fact that Mr. Durham is conducting only a limited review, not a criminal investigation, also suggests the Justice Department has still not identified sufficient facts to open such an inquiry. The legal standard is whether facts exist that reasonably indicate that a specific crime has been committed.
The article points out that it is now possible that the Republican chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, Lindsey Graham, will open its own inquiry. Graham has stated before that he didn't want to get in the way ofa Justice Dept. investigation, but that now the situation is different if Durham doesn't have the same authority that Mueller had.

If this was a witch hunt, it found a lot of witches. -- David Cole, writing about the Mueller investigation.

  
Chiroptera
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Message 1928 of 5796 (852714)
05-16-2019 8:32 AM
Reply to: Message 1923 by Faith
05-16-2019 3:52 AM


Re: Calumniating Barr: the latest tactic
The cover up was the whole Mueller report itself, designed to overturn the election of Trump and to put suspicion on Trump to deflect it from Hillary....
Wait, what? I thought the Mueller report completely exonerates Trump. Did Rosenberg lie?

If this was a witch hunt, it found a lot of witches. -- David Cole, writing about the Mueller investigation.

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Chiroptera
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Message 1936 of 5796 (852743)
05-16-2019 1:28 PM


The joke's getting old
...best **** for people who....
Can we remove this absurd "censoring" now? It really seems a bit petty and kind of annoying even to some people who aren't Faith.

If this was a witch hunt, it found a lot of witches. -- David Cole, writing about the Mueller investigation.

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Chiroptera
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Message 1982 of 5796 (852876)
05-19-2019 10:37 AM


One Republican backs impeachment
From the Guardian:
Justin Amash becomes first Republican to back Trump impeachment
In a series of tweets on Saturday, Amash said special counsel Robert Mueller had in his investigation of Russian election interference identified “multiple examples of conduct satisfying all the elements of obstruction of justice, and undoubtedly any person who is not the president of the United States would be indicted based on such evidence”....
Amash said that while “few members of Congress even read Mueller’s report” - he said he had, in its entirety, and had consulted with his staff - “their minds were made up based on partisan affiliation and it showed, with representatives and senators from both parties issuing definitive statements on the 448-page report’s conclusions within just hours of its release.”
I don't know anything about Amash beyond what's in the article:
Amash is a libertarian and independent-minded politician who has flirted with the idea of a run against Trump in 2020, and has in turn been attacked by the White House. Elected in the Tea Party wave of 2010, he was a founder of the House Freedom Caucus, which has become a hard-right mouthpiece for Trump.

If this was a witch hunt, it found a lot of witches. -- David Cole, writing about the Mueller investigation.

  
Chiroptera
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Message 2090 of 5796 (853203)
05-23-2019 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 2089 by Faith
05-23-2019 11:40 AM


Re: A Bit of Fake News
No, it's Congress and the left who have forgotten that the Presidency is an equal and separate power under the Constitution.
Actually, that seemed to be true when the Republicans had majorities in both Houses.
Now the Democratic majority in the House is remembering their Constitutional duty to remind the nation we don't have to be a basketful of deplorables.

If this was a witch hunt, it found a lot of witches. -- David Cole, writing about the Mueller investigation.

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Chiroptera
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Message 2097 of 5796 (853215)
05-23-2019 3:36 PM
Reply to: Message 2096 by Taq
05-23-2019 3:20 PM


Re: A Bit of Fake News
Let's also not forget that the investigation into President Bill Clinton by Ken Starr was because of allegations made in connection with savings and loan banks.
Or how several House committees looked into Benghazi.
Constitutional checks and balances when Republicans do it.
Unconstitutional usurpation of power when Democrats do it.
If a Democrat is elected President in 2020 and the Republicans have control over one or both houses, you better believe that they will gin up some investigation.
And the followers of the Republican cult of nihilism will once again be reading from the other script.

If this was a witch hunt, it found a lot of witches. -- David Cole, writing about the Mueller investigation.

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Chiroptera
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Message 2131 of 5796 (853411)
05-27-2019 11:36 AM
Reply to: Message 2130 by jar
05-27-2019 11:31 AM


No one has suggested that the Trump supporters should be sent to the concentration camps....
In fact, no one is even suggesting that Trump supporters be prevented from voting.
Only one side is passing laws that decrease voter participation, and one side more heavily engages in partisan gerrymanding, and it's not Trump's opponents.

If this was a witch hunt, it found a lot of witches. -- David Cole, writing about the Mueller investigation.

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Chiroptera
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Message 2133 of 5796 (853416)
05-27-2019 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 2129 by Faith
05-27-2019 11:24 AM


...I wonder if we could strike a deal to split the country so we could have a chunk of it to ourselves.
Just like in 1861, you don't get to secede just because you lose an election.
Hell, just like in 1861, you certainly don't get to secede just because you don't like what people are saying about you.

If this was a witch hunt, it found a lot of witches. -- David Cole, writing about the Mueller investigation.

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Chiroptera
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Message 2144 of 5796 (853464)
05-27-2019 7:20 PM
Reply to: Message 2132 by Faith
05-27-2019 11:48 AM


I was in the middle of responding to this when a friend came by to pick me up for a trip into the city, so I bailed. I see in the meantime that people have already made some of the points I would have made, so I'll just add this:
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Oh and we also don't think felons should vote?
Me, I think that when a person has completed their sentence, all their civil and political rights should be restored. In fact, I think people should be allowed to vote even when they are still serving time in prison. I believe Maine and Vermont allow felons to vote even while incarcerated, as do several of the Western European democracies.
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...noncitizens....
Come to think of it, I also think all legal residents should be allowed to vote. Anyone who pays taxes and has to obey the laws should have a say in what those laws are.
That's just me, though. I can see how someone might disagree.

If this was a witch hunt, it found a lot of witches. -- David Cole, writing about the Mueller investigation.

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Chiroptera
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Message 2160 of 5796 (853653)
05-30-2019 9:47 AM


More Republican "voter fraud" fraud
From the New York Times:
David Whitley, Texas Secretary of State, Resigns After Questioning Voters’ Citizenship
David Whitley, who served as the Texas secretary of state for about five months and was the face of a failed attempt to review the citizenship status of nearly 100,000 registered voters, resigned from his post Monday.
Whitley was appointed Secretary of State, but he wasn't able to get the two-thirds vote in the legislature required for confirmation. As a result, he had to step down at the end the legislative session.
Mr. Whitley stirred up controversy in January when his office warned county officials that the Texas Department of Public Safety had identified about 95,000 registered voters as potential noncitizens, adding that 58,000 of those had voted in one or more elections in the state.
Anyone who has been paying attention can predict what comes next.
In Texas, the effort to identify noncitizen voters quickly began to fall apart. Days after the list was announced, local election officials said that many of the people on it were known to be United States citizens. Mr. Whitley and other state leaders faced at least three lawsuits, and in February, a federal judge halted the effort to review voters’ citizenship status, calling the process “ham-handed.”
Just in case some need the moral of the story spelled out:
“The big lie just keeps being repeated over and over again that there’s voter fraud, when the only real voter fraud is voter suppression,” Domingo Garcia, the president of [The League of United Latin American Citizens], said in an interview on Tuesday. “They’re basically trying to rig the system to keep power because they’re concerned that Texas is on the verge of becoming a purple state.”

If this was a witch hunt, it found a lot of witches. -- David Cole, writing about the Mueller investigation.

  
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