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Message 803 of 1385 (852106)
05-07-2019 11:05 AM
Reply to: Message 802 by Theodoric
05-07-2019 8:48 AM


Re: but, but , but godidit. The book says so.
Actually even if you gave them every step they would still say godidit.
And why would anyone spend the time and effort to give someone like Faith a more detailed answer when you know she will dismiss it with insults and without reading it. That is what she always does, no matter how complete the information is.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Message 867 of 1385 (852275)
05-08-2019 6:12 PM
Reply to: Message 856 by Dredge
05-08-2019 5:38 PM


Re: Progressive Creation
And let's not forget the secondary forms of evidence that supports the existence of aliens - crop circles, abductions, UFO sightings, etc.
And aluminum foil.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Message 882 of 1385 (852300)
05-08-2019 7:32 PM
Reply to: Message 877 by Dredge
05-08-2019 7:01 PM


Re: Progressive Creation
Dredge writes:
Tanypteryx writes:
Well, I already know that you believe a lot of bullshit
An ad hominem attack is not science.
Well, you have not presented any science, so I was just describing what you have presented so far.
Dredge writes:
Tanypteryx writes:
and your beliefs have no impact on reality.
Neither does the belief that all life on earth shares a common ancestor.
If you encounter someone who believes that, let them know.
Dredge writes:
Tanypteryx writes:
I also note that Bechly never includes his ID beliefs in his scientific papers on dragonfly fossils.
And this is a criticism? So funny!
It wasn't meant as criticism. I have read his papers, have you? You have an odd sense of humor.
Edited by Tanypteryx, : No reason given.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Message 888 of 1385 (852317)
05-08-2019 7:54 PM
Reply to: Message 886 by Dredge
05-08-2019 7:49 PM


Re: Progressive Creation
Dredge writes:
Or the links between sponges, worms, jelly-fish and fish?
Why do you think there should be links between sponges, worms, jelly-fish and fish?

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Message 896 of 1385 (852330)
05-08-2019 8:17 PM
Reply to: Message 891 by Dredge
05-08-2019 8:03 PM


Re: Progressive Creation
Dredge writes:
Tanypteryx writes:
Why do you think there should be links between sponges, worms, jelly-fish and fish?
Because my understanding of what existed before fish is basically sponges, worms and jelly-fish - ie, invertebrates.
So? I'm still not seeing the connection.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Message 920 of 1385 (852393)
05-09-2019 7:53 PM
Reply to: Message 919 by Dredge
05-09-2019 7:44 PM


Re: does a species from one genus evolve into a species from another genus ... yes
Dredge writes:
Do you realize that many scientists thought Einstein was babbling when he first aired his theories?
Name one.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Message 923 of 1385 (852396)
05-09-2019 8:00 PM
Reply to: Message 918 by Dredge
05-09-2019 7:38 PM


Re: Progressive Creation
Dredge writes:
Tanypteryx writes:
So? I'm still not seeing the connection.
I still don't see any connection either - the gaps from sponges/jelly-fish/worms to fish is best scientifically explained by aliens performing genetic engineering.
Genetic engineering of what? Are you saying you think sponges and jellyfish and worms are ancestors of fish?
And please do scientifically explain aliens performing genetic engineering.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Message 937 of 1385 (852444)
05-10-2019 11:15 PM
Reply to: Message 936 by Dredge
05-10-2019 10:34 PM


Re: Progressive Creation
You could have just said you have no answer why you think there should be links between sponges, worms, jelly-fish and fish.
I have no idea why you would post this crap from a whackjob like David Gelernter. "A mere 70-odd million years."

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Message 946 of 1385 (852461)
05-11-2019 7:17 PM
Reply to: Message 941 by Dredge
05-11-2019 6:32 PM


Re: Progressive Creation
Dredge writes:
Tanypteryx writes:
scientifically explain aliens performing genetic engineering.
For an understanding of genetic engineering, just google "genetic engineering".
Oh, good grief! I'm not trying to find out what it is, I'm trying to find out if you have any knowledge about "genetic engineering," although I already know the answer.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Message 964 of 1385 (852482)
05-12-2019 10:51 AM
Reply to: Message 954 by Dredge
05-11-2019 7:51 PM


Re: Progressive Creation
Dredge writes:
Tanypteryx writes:
I'm trying to find out if you have any knowledge about "genetic engineering," although I already know the answer.
I know next to nothing about genetic engineering.
Yeah, I was beginning to suspect that.
Dredge writes:
Do you think it would be possible to make organisms evolve by genetic engineering?
I have never thought of genetic engineering as a mechanism of evolution, just like I don't consider selective breeding as a mechanism of evolution either.
Would you consider stem cell therapies to try and cure an individual's genetic disease, genetic engineering? Or is genetic engineering strictly modifying the germ line?

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Message 979 of 1385 (852514)
05-12-2019 9:32 PM
Reply to: Message 967 by Dredge
05-12-2019 7:57 PM


Re: Progressive Creation
Dredge writes:
Why do you call David Gelernter a whackjob? He's not more a whackjob than I am.
I guess I will never know why you posted Gelernter's crap.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Message 982 of 1385 (852517)
05-12-2019 9:41 PM
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05-12-2019 9:16 PM


Re: Progressive Creation
Dredge writes:
My "aliens" theory is simply a demonstration the stupendous brilliance of my scientific mind and an attempt to win a Nobel Prize for Science.
The Nobel Prize for Science, Huh? Is there somewhere we can order t-shirts?

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Message 984 of 1385 (852519)
05-12-2019 9:47 PM
Reply to: Message 981 by Dredge
05-12-2019 9:40 PM


Re: Progressive Creation
Dredge writes:
Tanypteryx writes:
I guess I will never know why you posted Gelernter's crap.
Prejudice is easy - the hard part is proving that it's "crap".
It's up to him to prove it's not crap.
And I still am not a step closer to know why you posted it.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Tanypteryx
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Message 987 of 1385 (852522)
05-12-2019 11:59 PM
Reply to: Message 985 by Dredge
05-12-2019 9:53 PM


Re: Progressive Creation
Dredge writes:
Er, no . that's not how it works - you made the claim that it's crap, so the onus is on your to prove your claim.
Furthermore, I made no claim about Gelernter's opinion on the fossil record; I merely posted his thoughts.
And I still have no idea why you posted anything by or about him. I still think it's crap.
I have no interest in what he writes or thinks on any subject and as far as I can tell, he is not doing research on any subject I'm interested in learning more about.
Edited by Tanypteryx, : No reason given.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Message 1000 of 1385 (852561)
05-13-2019 9:05 PM
Reply to: Message 998 by Dredge
05-13-2019 8:50 PM


Re: Progressive Creation and Aliens (oh my) - no predictive ability - take 2
Dredge writes:
Curious that you ignore all the evidence that contradicts ToE - where is the evidence for the evolutionary ancestors of trilobites, fish and insects? Where are the missing links between the Ediacaran fauna all the novel phyla that appeared during the Cambrian explosion? The evidence for these "ancestors" doesn't exist!
Curious that all this is incorrect. You have presented no evidence that contradicts the ToE. Which "novel" phyla?
Curious beyond belief that a creationist knows the evidence that contradicts the ToE, but none of us know about it...
Edited by Tanypteryx, : No reason given.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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