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Author Topic:   Any practical use for Universal Common Ancestor?
edge
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Message 926 of 1385 (852401)
05-09-2019 8:21 PM
Reply to: Message 924 by Dredge
05-09-2019 8:01 PM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
My evidence is the same as your evidence that life on earth evolved from a microbe - the fossil record. Don't blame me for your lack of scientific understanding.
So you agree that it is a sensible progression from colonial bacteria to soft metazoans of the Ediacaran and then to Cambrian fauna?
And don't blame me for your complete lack of a mechanism.

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edge
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Message 927 of 1385 (852402)
05-09-2019 8:23 PM
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05-09-2019 8:08 PM


Re: does a species from one genus evolve into a species from another genus ... yes
"deadset", actually. I've corrected it.
I stand by my post.

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Message 931 of 1385 (852415)
05-10-2019 10:38 AM
Reply to: Message 930 by Stile
05-10-2019 9:28 AM


That is, if UCA was not applicable - those creating medicine would be using some other idea as a guide, or we would not have 'new medicine antibiotic resistance' at all.
Good point.
If you don't accept the UCA theory, then you might accept something else like like some form of voodoo.
So, UCA is useful in taking the oxygen from invalid and abandoned concepts. Interesting way of looking at it...
Edited by edge, : No reason given.

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edge
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Message 938 of 1385 (852445)
05-10-2019 11:43 PM
Reply to: Message 936 by Dredge
05-10-2019 10:34 PM


Re: Progressive Creation
"Looking for Evidence
(lengthy quote snipped for lack of relevance)
- from Giving Up Darwin, by David Gelernter
Hmmm, grasping at straws, no?
Are you really holding up a guy with degrees in Hebrew literature as an authority on the Cambrian explosion?
This is a new low for you, but I suppose it's not unexpected.

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Message 959 of 1385 (852475)
05-11-2019 10:09 PM
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05-11-2019 6:29 PM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
My aliens are as invisible as your macroevolution.
Your aliens are part of a mechanism. The mechanism should be detectable, or at least known by some inference.
Edited by edge, : No reason given.
Edited by edge, : No reason given.

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edge
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Message 960 of 1385 (852476)
05-11-2019 10:17 PM
Reply to: Message 942 by Dredge
05-11-2019 6:39 PM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
"a sensible progression"? Only if aliens performed genetic engineering to get from one stage to the next.
You have not presented evidence for such agents.
You seem to be getting the fossil record confused with your evolution dreaming - the two don't line up.
Actually, I'm confusing you with someone who can draw conclusions about time-domain data.
Where is the evidence of evolution from pre-E bacteria to E-fauna and then to the C-animals? Such evidence exists only in your evo-deluded mind.
It's in the patterns.

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edge
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Message 961 of 1385 (852477)
05-11-2019 10:21 PM
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05-11-2019 7:33 PM


You've missed the point of the discussion: How is accepting UCA theory essential to developing new medicines? Provide an example.
Okay, let's check the title of this thread ...
" Any practical use for Universal Common Ancestor?"
And, oh wait! It's your own thread ...
Troll much lately?

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Message 962 of 1385 (852478)
05-11-2019 10:26 PM
Reply to: Message 950 by Dredge
05-11-2019 7:37 PM


Re: Progressive Creation
I was expecting this - ...
I try not to disppoint.
... apparently someone intelligent enough to be a Professor of Computer Science isn't intelligent enough to study the fossil record.
And apparently plumbers are not qualified to do brain surgery.
Life just isn't fair, is it?
If you don't like the message, shoot the messenger.
Actually, I prefer to school the person who commits a major fallacy of reasoning.
Now prove that he's wrong.
Later. It might be kind of fun, but I found the passage to be mind-numbing on the first pass. Just all the usual stuff ...

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edge
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Message 1010 of 1385 (852571)
05-13-2019 10:23 PM
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05-13-2019 9:44 PM


Re: Progressive Creation
Yeah, right ... yet so many palaeontologists point out that there is very little evidence of evolution in the rocks!
Please support this assertion.
But hey, who cares what paleontologists think?
From my experience, it is only anti-evolutionists who don't.

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edge
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Message 1012 of 1385 (852573)
05-13-2019 10:25 PM
Reply to: Message 1007 by Dredge
05-13-2019 9:51 PM


Re: Progressive Creation
All I need to know is that genetic engineering has the potential to reshape the genome such that massive changes in morphology are possible.
Correct. It is all the YOU need to know.
And need I add that this bar is not set very high?
Believing that your puny mechanisms of evolutionary can turn a rodent into a whale is grand delusion.
Thank you for your opinion.

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edge
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Message 1013 of 1385 (852574)
05-13-2019 10:28 PM
Reply to: Message 1003 by Dredge
05-13-2019 9:30 PM


Re: does a species from one genus evolve into a species from another genus ... yes
Ever heard of the fossil record?
What are your criteria for determining 'outside tampering'.
I mean, as long as you brought it up.

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edge
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Message 1015 of 1385 (852576)
05-13-2019 10:36 PM
Reply to: Message 998 by Dredge
05-13-2019 8:50 PM


Re: Progressive Creation and Aliens (oh my) - no predictive ability - take 2
Curious that you ignore all the evidence that contradicts ToE - where is the evidence for the evolutionary ancestors of trilobites, fish and insects?
The trilobites, fish and insects ARE the evidence and they exhibit a progression of life forms.
If you cannot connect the dots, that sounds like a personal problem.
Where are the missing links between the Ediacaran fauna all the novel phyla that appeared during the Cambrian explosion? The evidence for these "ancestors" doesn't exist!
The progression is the evidence that evolution occurred.
Edited by edge, : No reason given.

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edge
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Message 1018 of 1385 (852588)
05-14-2019 11:19 AM
Reply to: Message 1014 by AZPaul3
05-13-2019 10:30 PM


Re: Progressive Creation
So many as in what? Two?
Actually, it's four.
The number had doubled!
So there!

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Message 1036 of 1385 (853050)
05-22-2019 12:07 AM
Reply to: Message 1031 by Dredge
05-21-2019 10:21 PM


Re: does a species from one genus evolve into a species from another genus ... yes
Inexplicable gaps and sudden appearances of novel creatures in the fossil record - insects, for example.
But as we have discussed, they are explicable.
Certainly more so by natural means than by your aliens which are not supported by any evidence.

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edge
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Message 1037 of 1385 (853052)
05-22-2019 12:11 AM
Reply to: Message 1032 by Dredge
05-21-2019 10:26 PM


Re: Progressive Creation and Aliens (oh my) - no predictive ability - take 2
Ah yes, but fossils don't confirm that Darwinian evolution is responsible for that progression.
But that wasn't the question was it?
You asked:
Where are the missing links between the Ediacaran fauna all the novel phyla that appeared during the Cambrian explosion?
If you want me to answer a different question, you should ask it.
Or was this just a typical YEC evasion?

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