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JonF
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Message 1849 of 5796 (852442)
05-10-2019 9:50 PM
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05-10-2019 4:41 PM


Re: Our President
Oh, I forgot to include: word is he's a pretty good golfer and could win quite often without cheating.

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JonF
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Message 1850 of 5796 (852532)
05-13-2019 9:14 AM


Trump is clueless about who pays tarrifs
The Impact of the 2018 Trade War on U.S. Prices and Welfare
quote:
This paper explores the impacts of the Trump administration’s trade policy on prices and welfare. Over the course of 2018, the U.S. experienced substantial increases in the prices of intermediates and final goods, dramatic changes to its supply-chain network, reductions in availability of imported varieties, and complete passthrough of the tariffs into domestic prices of imported goods. Overall, using standard economic methods, we find that the full incidence of the tariff falls on domestic consumers, with a reduction in U.S. real income of $1.4 billion per month by the end of 2018. We also see similar patterns for foreign countries who have retaliated against the U.S., which indicates that the trade war also reduced real income for other countries
Which, of course, is obvious to anyone left or right who gives the most cursory thought to the question.
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JonF
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Message 1856 of 5796 (852583)
05-14-2019 9:03 AM


Trump Administration likes FGM
Remember Female Genita Mutilation?
There's been a law against it for 20 years.
quote:
Last month, solicitor general Noel Francisco, third-ranking official at the Justice Department, sent a letter to Dianne Feinstein alerting the California senator that Trump’s DOJ would no longer defend the law in court. This follows a ruling by a federal judge named Bernard Friedman in the Eastern District of Michigan, who struck down the law as unconstitutional noting that the FGM ban didn’t “require interstate activity” to make FGM illegal. In other words, the judge believed there needs to be explicit interstate language to make the federal law valid, and that simply isn’t the case
The Trump administration is refusing to defend the national ban on torturing young girls in the most awful and breathtakingly indefensible way imaginable, depriving innocent victims from enjoying relatively normal lives, depriving them of sexual pleasure, and depriving them of the ability to become pregnant, while sentencing them to lives of pain, despair and psychological torment.
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JonF
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Message 1873 of 5796 (852608)
05-14-2019 2:49 PM
Reply to: Message 1858 by Faith
05-14-2019 12:41 PM


Re: Calumniating Barr: the latest tactic
Wow, so many lies.
Muller explicitly told Barr when Barr asked if he'd misrepresented the report in his four page note on its principal points that no, he hadn't. Muller said he was bothered by the media coverage but not that Barr had misrepresented the report. But the false story sticks anyway.
Sorry, the story is true. Mueller made it clear that Barr had misrepresented the report and the media had nothing to do with it.
quote:
As we stated in our meeting of March 5 and reiterated to the Department early in the afternoon of March 24, the introductions and executive summaries of our two-volume report accurately summarize this Office’s work and conclusions. The summary letter the Department sent to Congress and released to the public late in the afternoon of March 24 did not fully capture the context, nature, and substance of this Office’s work and conclusions. We communicated that concern to the Department on the morning of March 25. There is now public confusion about critical aspects of the results of our investigation. This threatens to undermine the central purpose for which the Department appointed the Special Counsel: to assure full public confidence in the outcome of the investigations. See Department of Justice, Press Release (May 17, 2017).
Trump WAS exonerated of obstruction of justice
Trump was not exonerated. Volume two contains hard evidence that Trump obstructed justice at least 10 times and would be indicted except for the DOJ opinion that the President could not be indicted while president.
Nevertheless they've been screaming for Barr to break the law and let them see the whole thing.
Wrong. The Democrats have been screaming to see the unredacted parts of the report that Barr can legally release to COngress. We're also asking that Barr and the Democrats request a judge to release the Grand Jury testimony. Whatever the judge decides the losing party will appeal and the Supreme Court will have the final say. If Barr refuses to join the request the Democrats may take further legal action. All lawful and common.
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JonF
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Message 1877 of 5796 (852612)
05-14-2019 3:55 PM
Reply to: Message 1875 by Tanypteryx
05-14-2019 3:36 PM


Re: Calumniating Barr: the latest tactic
917 of them as of now. STATEMENT BY FORMER FEDERAL PROSECUTORS. There's an updated CSV there.
quote:
The Mueller report describes several acts that satisfy all of the elements for an obstruction charge: conduct that obstructed or attempted to obstruct the truth-finding process, as to which the evidence of corrupt intent and connection to pending proceedings is overwhelming. These include:
· The President’s efforts to fire Mueller and to falsify evidence about that effort;
· The President’s efforts to limit the scope of Mueller’s investigation to exclude his conduct; and
· The President’s efforts to prevent witnesses from cooperating with investigators probing him and his campaign.

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JonF
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Message 1879 of 5796 (852614)
05-14-2019 3:58 PM
Reply to: Message 1875 by Tanypteryx
05-14-2019 3:36 PM


Re: Calumniating Barr: the latest tactic
Dupe.
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JonF
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Message 1901 of 5796 (852654)
05-15-2019 8:43 AM
Reply to: Message 1882 by Faith
05-14-2019 5:38 PM


Re: Calumniating Barr: the latest tactic
There were all the elements for an obstruction charge. As has already been pointed out Mueller did not indict because DOJ policy does not allow indicting a sitting President.
In the report he made it clear that's the only reason he didn't seek an indictment. I"ve read enough of it for myself to know that's true.
Of course you'd never hear that truth from your sources.

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JonF
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Message 1902 of 5796 (852655)
05-15-2019 8:47 AM
Reply to: Message 1883 by Faith
05-14-2019 5:43 PM


Re: Calumniating Barr: the latest tactic
Nope, as usual. It"s not one or the other.
He didn"t find sufficient evidence for a collusion indictment. He did find some evidence. So he didn't exonerate anyone. .
The obstruction lie has been covered in this thread already. Denying it doesn't affect reality.
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JonF
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Message 1903 of 5796 (852656)
05-15-2019 8:50 AM
Reply to: Message 1889 by Faith
05-14-2019 6:30 PM


Re: David Cole on the Mueller Report
Nope. It's against DOJ policy to indict a sitting President,no matter how criminal he is.
You're pretty slow on the uptake.

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JonF
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Message 1904 of 5796 (852658)
05-15-2019 8:55 AM
Reply to: Message 1890 by Faith
05-14-2019 6:32 PM


Re: Calumniating Barr: the latest tactic
Then why did you say the repoft exonerated him?
There's a lot of possibilities you're ignoring between charges and exoneration He explicitly would have brought charges except for DOJ policy, not for any lack of evidence.
Repeating latantly false and long*debunked claims doesn't change reality.

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JonF
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Message 1905 of 5796 (852659)
05-15-2019 8:59 AM
Reply to: Message 1893 by Tanypteryx
05-14-2019 6:39 PM


Re: Calumniating Barr: the latest tactic
917 former Federal prosecutors.

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JonF
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Message 1907 of 5796 (852661)
05-15-2019 9:05 AM
Reply to: Message 1898 by 14174dm
05-14-2019 10:21 PM


Re: Calumniating Barr: the latest tactic
https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf is the official electronic copy.
They printed it, scanned it, and OCR"d it, so there are many OCR errors.

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JonF
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Message 1908 of 5796 (852662)
05-15-2019 9:07 AM
Reply to: Message 1898 by 14174dm
05-14-2019 10:21 PM


Re: Calumniating Barr: the latest tactic
Dupe. .
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JonF
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Message 1914 of 5796 (852691)
05-15-2019 4:45 PM
Reply to: Message 1912 by Faith
05-15-2019 3:03 PM


Re: Calumniating Barr: the latest tactic
No, as the quote already posted showed, the report clearly stated that they didn't seek indictments because of the DOJ policy. When I get b to my computer I will dig out a quote if one isn't posted by then.
Meanwhile you will dig up a quote showing "It was clearly stated that the policy against indicting a sitting President had absolutely no part in the conclusions of the report", right?
Mueller found lots of evidence of collusion, just not enough to support criminal prosecution.
Mueller presented strong evidence of Trump’s obstructions and explicitly stated that he was following DOJ policy by not indicting him. Otherwise Trump would be indicted.

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JonF
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Message 1915 of 5796 (852692)
05-15-2019 4:47 PM
Reply to: Message 1913 by Taq
05-15-2019 3:10 PM


Re: Calumniating Barr: the latest tactic
Of course she couldn't, and if she could she wouldn't. She cares not for trurh, just stoking her hate and rage.

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