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Faith 
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Message 1821 of 5796 (852322)
05-08-2019 8:05 PM
Reply to: Message 1817 by JonF
05-08-2019 7:50 PM


Re: Racist actions?
Any source that refers to illegal aliens as an "undocumented population" is a bogus Lftwing source whose supposed facts are not to be trusted.

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Message 1822 of 5796 (852324)
05-08-2019 8:07 PM
Reply to: Message 1819 by ringo
05-08-2019 7:53 PM


Re: Former Federal Prosecutors on Obstruction
Why? You serve evl here all the time with your personal Bible readings and refusal to consider that the traditional church may know more than you do. Theodoric serves a really gross evl. The evl at EvC is overwhelming. I know I need to leave again. Wish I could stay away forever without being tempted back to this evl place.
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Message 1829 of 5796 (852354)
05-09-2019 11:22 AM
Reply to: Message 1826 by AZPaul3
05-09-2019 2:21 AM


Re: This guy claims he is not a racist too
I thought you were talking about all religions. In any case Catholics and other cultural Christian groups may also be born again, usually leaving their church for a new one when that happens. So even if you're born into your Christian tradition, if you get born again you see things differently.

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Message 1834 of 5796 (852369)
05-09-2019 3:58 PM


Cost of Illegal Immigration
New FAIR Study: Illegal Immigration Costs $116 billion
The report, “The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers,” examines the cost of illegal immigration through a detailed analysis of federal, state and local programs that are available to the nation’s illegal immigrant population, their U.S.-born children, or accessed via frawd. The study tallies the impact on education, medical, justice/enforcement, welfare and other government programs.
The Cost of a Border Wall vs. the Cost of Illegal Immigration
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Message 1858 of 5796 (852591)
05-14-2019 12:41 PM


Calumniating Barr: the latest tactic
Message 2862
Percy writes:
Through his false characterization of Mueller report conclusions, by his exoneration of Trump of any obstruction of justice, and by his referring to FBI surveillance as spying, Barr has revealed himself as a Trump partisan, the president's attorney, and not the people's lawyer.
Actually he's probably the most honest one connected to this stuff, really IS working for the people and not for Trump. The reason you're confused is that you've bought the tale that the Muller report was honest. You are complaining that there is no good reason for Barr to investigate the report, but that ignores the fact that there was never any good reason for the Muller report in the first place. There were no criminal charges which would be the normal cause for such an investigation, and it came rather suspiciously on the heels of the exoneration of Hillary for what was clearly obstruction of justice and campaign tampering.
Muller explicitly told Barr when Barr asked if he'd misrepresented the report in his four page note on its principal points that no, he hadn't. Muller said he was bothered by the media coverage but not that Barr had misrepresented the report. But the false story sticks anyway.
Trump WAS exonerated of obstruction of justice. The job of the Muller investigation was to identify criminal behavior that could be prosecuted. He found none, and that is the end of the story by any reasonable measure, but he wrote the second part of the report to pile on innuendoes that Trump enemies magnify into charges that don't exist. So much of this whole "probe" is pure fantasy based on nothing more than personal dislike of Trump.
Later Chiroptera insinuates that the redactions were "strategic" so Durham's will be too. The redactions were required by law and there is every reason to believe Barr pushed the envelope as far as he could to avoid them. And it was a law written by Democrats back in the Clinton era too. Nevertheless they've been screaming for Barr to break the law and let them see the whole thing. Somebody mentioned that a lot of this is the fault of Trump's not doing a good enough job of defending his case. That could be.
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Message 1860 of 5796 (852593)
05-14-2019 1:10 PM
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05-14-2019 1:01 PM


Re: Calumniating Barr: the latest tactic
Yes I believe he's honest, not clearheaded about a lot of things but honest, not articulate at times when he needs to be but honest. I think he's actually nave. He knows there are all these forces arrayed against him but somehow he doesn't deal with them as if he knows it. People don't like his personality, his bumpkinish ways, his lack of class, but none of that makes him dishonest.

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Faith 
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Message 1862 of 5796 (852596)
05-14-2019 1:33 PM
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05-14-2019 1:20 PM


Re: Calumniating Barr: the latest tactic
Those are personality flaws that you'd think a President wouldn't have, yes, but they are not in the areas of his Presidential work, just stuff his enemies keep trying to pin on him. He spends most of his time trying to keep his campaign promises and thinking about that sort of thing so he isn't tuned in enough to where the attacks are coming from. In a way he doesn't care, which I consider a positive trait, but it does leave him open to attacks when someone more tuned in might not be. No I don't think he's dishonest.

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Faith 
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Message 1864 of 5796 (852598)
05-14-2019 1:40 PM
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05-09-2019 11:41 AM


Re: Former Federal Prosecutors on Obstruction
You are pathetically ignorant of Christian theology and incredibly nave about your idea that you read what the Bible "actually says" which is egocentrically nave of you. You are insistent, however, and since nobody else here knows enough to answer you I have to take your nonsense as if it makes sense anyway. But I DO represent the theology of the traditional church, and you don't have a clue.

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Faith 
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Message 1865 of 5796 (852599)
05-14-2019 1:41 PM
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05-14-2019 1:37 PM


Re: Calumniating Barr: the latest tactic
I disagree. He answers his critics, that's the point of the Twitter posts. I wasn't sure if that was a good idea for a long time but now I think it is.

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Message 1869 of 5796 (852604)
05-14-2019 2:16 PM
Reply to: Message 1867 by Tangle
05-14-2019 1:51 PM


Reformed theology
Sorry but I do. My frame of reference is Reformed and the Reformation itself is an important influence in my thinking. Not Lutheran, but Reformed. I don't know what you consider to be "the traditional church" but to me it's based on today's Reformed theologians. R C Sproul, John MacArthur, lots more. None of it comes from "me," it all has a basis in various Reformed theological sources.
You confuse the formal Orthodox Church, Russian Orthodox or Greek Orthodox, with the ordinary term "orthodox" which simply means "true." The Orthodox Church is far more similar to Roman Catholicism and has nothing to do with my use of the word.
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Faith 
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Message 1870 of 5796 (852605)
05-14-2019 2:21 PM
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05-14-2019 1:54 PM


Re: Calumniating Barr: the latest tactic
We disagree.

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Faith 
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Message 1881 of 5796 (852618)
05-14-2019 5:33 PM
Reply to: Message 1871 by DrJones*
05-14-2019 2:23 PM


Re: Calumniating Barr: the latest tactic
I'm not talking about his personal habits. I think Clinton outdid him anyway.
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Message 1882 of 5796 (852619)
05-14-2019 5:38 PM
Reply to: Message 1877 by JonF
05-14-2019 3:55 PM


Re: Calumniating Barr: the latest tactic
If there were "all the elements for an obstruction charge," Mueller would have brought that charge, that was the whole point of his investigation, to bring charges where he found it justified. Had the points you name qualified, Mueller would have brought the charges. He didn't. He had no other job than that and since he didn't do it there was clearly no obstruction of justice according to his investigation.
Oh and by the way the fact that a sitting President cannot be indicted NEVER EVER entered into any of the report's considerations, which was said very clearly by at least Mueller I think. It would at least have been mentioned in that gossip sheet called volume2.
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Message 1883 of 5796 (852620)
05-14-2019 5:43 PM
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05-14-2019 3:36 PM


Re: Calumniating Barr: the latest tactic
Mueller's report DID exonerate Trump, of both "collusion" and obstruction of justice. Because that was the only point of such a report, to bring charges where cause was found. Cause was not found, that's the same as saying the report exonerated him.

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Message 1887 of 5796 (852629)
05-14-2019 6:27 PM
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05-14-2019 6:20 PM


Re: Calumniating Barr: the latest tactic
The report had no authority whatever to "exonerate" anyone so stating that it didn't do so is just manipulative puff. All such an investigation can do is find that there is cause for criminal charges. That's ALL it can do and it found no such cause. Again, if Mueller had found such a cause HE WOULD HAVE BROUGHT CHARGES. Again, even the mention of exoneration is just the usual fakery to keep something going that in reality is dead, anything to keep up the fiction that Trump is at fault despite the finding that he was not at fault.

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