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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2284 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.8
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The report had no authority whatever to "exonerate" anyone so stating that it didn't do so is just manipulative puff. Mueller had the authority to investigate Russian influence in the 2016 election and any other crimes he came across, including obstruction of justice. He detailed 10 incidents of the president trying to disrupt his investigation and concluded that he could not right out say that those attempts were Not obstruction of justice.
Again, if Mueller had found such a cause HE WOULD HAVE BROUGHT CHARGES.
Nope, it is DOJ policy (based on legal research I'm sure but never actually tested in court) that a sitting president can't be indicted Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given.It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2284 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.8 |
The facts of the report exonerate him.
the facts where he ordered white house counsel McGahn to fire Mueller and then when McGahn refused he ordered McGahn to lie about the first order, an order McGahn also wisely refused.It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4344 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.9 |
Faith writes: Mueller's report DID exonerate Trump, of both "collusion" and obstruction of justice. Because that was the only point of such a report, to bring charges where cause was found. Cause was not found, that's the same as saying the report exonerated him. And yet...
”Multiple Felony Charges’: Ex-Federal Prosecutors Call Out Trump’s Conduct quote: quote: This is what they call a temporary technicality. Trump is a criminal and a con man. You are proof that he is accomplished as a con man. His own history and his own words, before and after he entered the 2016 presidential race are evidence. He is so stupid he commits many of his crimes in public, showing his contempt for you and for the law and for all law enforcement. He has never been held accountable for any of his past actions, but that was before he started betraying the nation. The only way he can avoid his eventual just reward is to use the "Ken Lay get out of jail card."
Faith writes: Mueller's report DID exonerate Trump, of both "collusion" And yet there were more than 100 contacts with the Russians and hundreds of lies told about contacts with the Russians...why is that? People were convicted for lying about Russian contacts. There may not have been charges of collusion but they sure as fuck showed collusion, but more importantly they showed that the whole fucking Trump organization and campaign were so stupid they were played by the Russians like a whole fucking orchestra. It turns out Putin and Co. are far better con men than trump and co. And the con continues. Edited by Tanypteryx, : No reason given.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
This is ridiculous. The whole point of the Muelller investigation was to find cause for criminal charges. They found lots of stuff that had nothing to do with Trump and nothing to do with the campaign and they dealt with it. They prosecuted whatever they found to prosecute. They found the RUSSIANS at fault concerning the campaign but not Trump and not any of his people. We should be able to conclude that there was nothing about the Russian contacts that was in any way against the law so why are you making an issue of it? Why is anyone still making an issue of it? Mueller found no fault, why is anybody else? Either they are clueless about the legal situation or they just want to keep up the fiction that somehow Trump is at fault for something even if they have to make it up.
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
I thought it was agood article myself. One of the better short discussions of the Mueller report.
If this was a witch hunt, it found a lot of witches. -- David Cole, writing about the Mueller investigation.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
The whole point of the Muelller investigation was to find cause for criminal charges. Shades of Watergate. Remember the "un-indicted co-conspirator"?Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
You can disagree with the facts as much as you like. You won't change them. We disagree.Welcome back, Faith.
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14174dm Member (Idle past 1109 days) Posts: 161 From: Cincinnati OH Joined:
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Have you actually read anything from Mueller's report?
A internet search for "Mueller report text" will pull up a large list of sites with the full report. I am trying to copy/paste quotes but can't get the software to cooperate. I would recommend reading the Introduction to Volume II (pg 213 of 448). Mueller makes a series of statements that lead to why he can't say Trump did or did not obstruct justice. His arguments are 1. Office of Legal Counsel issued opinion that sitting President cannot be indicted by Justice Department as undermining performance of executive branch.2. While the President can't be indicted while in office, he can be investigated. The Mueller investigation took place while information was fresh. 3. "...we determined not to apply as approach that could potentially result in a judgment that the President committed crimes." Basically they intentionally avoided saying Trump committed crimes since he couldn't have a court case to legally defend himself (See point 1.) 4. (the BIG POINT) "...if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, however, we are unable to reach that judgement." Summary - Mueller can't indict sitting President nor can he accuse him since President can't defend self in trial. Facts show Mueller can't exonerate Trump.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5930 Joined: Member Rating: 5.8
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Summary - Mueller can't indict sitting President nor can he accuse him since President can't defend self in trial. Facts show Mueller can't exonerate Trump. Even in his act of misrepresenting the Mueller Report https://www.nytimes.com/...s/barr-letter-mueller-report.html, Barr himself quoted the Report thus:
quote: So then even Barr explicitly points out that the Mueller Report does not exonerate Trump. So then who knows where Trump ever got "the Mueller Report totally exonerates me!" from. Just more evidence that Trump is a "fucking moron" (a cabinet member's assessment of him early on).
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4344 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.9
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Just more evidence that Trump is a "fucking moron" (a cabinet member's assessment of him early on). But then he didn't want to own it. I think some others expressed that same name. I wish Biden would just publicly hang that name on him, and all the Dems start calling him that publicly. Trump is a Fucking Moron, stupidity and ignorance with a petty, vengeful soul. F'ing Moron works, too.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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JonF Member (Idle past 168 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
There were all the elements for an obstruction charge. As has already been pointed out Mueller did not indict because DOJ policy does not allow indicting a sitting President.
In the report he made it clear that's the only reason he didn't seek an indictment. I"ve read enough of it for myself to know that's true. Of course you'd never hear that truth from your sources.
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JonF Member (Idle past 168 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Nope, as usual. It"s not one or the other.
He didn"t find sufficient evidence for a collusion indictment. He did find some evidence. So he didn't exonerate anyone. . The obstruction lie has been covered in this thread already. Denying it doesn't affect reality. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 168 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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Nope. It's against DOJ policy to indict a sitting President,no matter how criminal he is.
You're pretty slow on the uptake.
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JonF Member (Idle past 168 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Then why did you say the repoft exonerated him?
There's a lot of possibilities you're ignoring between charges and exoneration He explicitly would have brought charges except for DOJ policy, not for any lack of evidence. Repeating latantly false and long*debunked claims doesn't change reality.
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JonF Member (Idle past 168 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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917 former Federal prosecutors.
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