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Percy Member Posts: 22391 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
Faith writes: There has actually been plenty of evidence of spying that came out in 2016. If there were evidence then Attorney General William Barr would have said there was evidence during his testimony before Congress, instead of saying the opposite. You're responding to my message that contains a short video clip of Barr actually saying he has no evidence, just concerns. Here it is again:
It wasn't Carlson or Hannity though, I believe it was Mark Levin who gave lots of evidence with dates. If Mark Levin gave lots of evidence then please tell us what it was. And tell Barr, too, because he's obviously unaware that all this evidence exists. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22391 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
Faith writes: Percy writes: Faith writes: There has actually been plenty of evidence of spying that came out in 2016. If there were evidence then Attorney General William Barr would have said there was evidence during his testimony before Congress, instead of saying the opposite. You're responding to my message that contains a short video clip of Barr actually saying he has no evidence, just concerns. I suspect he's pretty sure there is evidence there, but he has to do the investigation to find out for sure and to make the case. On what basis do you suspect he's pretty sure there's evidence there while not saying so, thereby creating the strong suspicion he's on a fishing expedition. Hemming and hawing like this only contributed to that impression, you only need to watch 15 seconds:
From your previous Message 1217:
Faith in Message 1217 writes: It wasn't Carlson or Hannity though, I believe it was Mark Levin who gave lots of evidence with dates. Can you describe all this evidence that Mark Levin gave, or explain why Barr is unaware of it, or why, given all this evidence, the Justice Department wasn't already investigating before Barr ever became Attorney General. If so much evidence actually existed, wouldn't William Sessions have jumped at the chance to initiate an investigation that Trump would have loved, perhaps thereby saving his job? --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22391 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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I know nothing about Christian movies and so won't comment on their production skills or lack thereof, but most movies and TV shows today are pretty bad even though the production quality is often excellent. Often it's the plot, where you have to invent your own rationalizations in order to make what just happened make sense.
My biggest criticism is about action movies. We don't usually watch action movies, but during a holiday visit the kids had us watch the series of Thor movies, one per night. They seemed typical of the modern action movie. There is a great deal of gratuitous action which makes no sense (and often isn't physically possible) and isn't necessary to or doesn't even fit the storyline. Tiny but important details are shown for only a second, and you're supposed to remember them because they'll explain what comes later. Often events occur so fast and furiously that even if they do make sense it's impossible to figure it all out or commit it to memory in the moment. All that being said, I greatly enjoyed the Thor movies, but we did have to pause regularly so the kids could explain things. For action movies give me True Lies or Top Gun. For drama give me Casablanca. For comedies give me Manhattan, Groundhog Day or Home Alone. For quirky give me Clerks. For science fiction give me Oblivion or Jurassic Park II or Total Recall (the 1990 one with Schwarzenegger). For animated films give me Wall-E or Up. For fantasy just leave me home - definitely not a Harry Potter or hobbit fan. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22391 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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Theodoric writes: I rarely see movies anymore. I just cannot stand the idiocy. I have a 9 year old and 12 year old so I do see kids movies. Kids movies seem to be where the quality is. Coco and Ferdinand were excellent. I also thought Zootopia, Sing and The Secret Life of Pets were excellent. Almost completely agree on all these movies except I haven't seen Ferdinand. You might also enjoy Home and Moana. I also liked Madagascar, Ice Age I, Finding Nemo and Finding Dory. You can add The Imitation Game (Alan Turing) to any list of highly inaccurate historical movies. It was a nice movie, I liked it, but I've read a couple Turing biographies (The Enigma Machine was best) and it was highly romanticized, technically way oversimplified to the point of wrong (although to be fair some technical parts were spot on, and I think they had to oversimplify or they would have left 99% of their audience behind), some parts were out of order, and it somehow manages to tell very little of the story. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22391 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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Percy Member Posts: 22391 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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Percy Member Posts: 22391 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
Little Woods is another movie about abortion. The plot is briefly outlined in A Different Movie About Abortion:
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Percy Member Posts: 22391 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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Percy Member Posts: 22391 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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PaulK writes: Your “explanation” doesn’t make a lot of sense either:
quote:The “sanctuary cities” are obviously dealing with their share of the problems. Why should they want additional problems foisted on them? I think it important to explicitly note what Trump was really doing. He wasn't attempting to address problems and issues surrounding immigration. He was attempting to get sanctuary cities to knuckle under by threatening to overwhelm their social and economic resources. If it takes shared national sacrifice to solve the immigration problem then so be it, but that is unlikely because immigration enriches a country, especially by the 2nd and 3rd generations. A steady flow of immigrants (i.e., a healthy and sustained immigration pipeline) is necessary to a country's success.
quote: Any such evidence would be irrelevant to my position. Of course there were racists everywhere. I'm not sure what Marc was trying to say here, or why he was trying to say it. That both North and South were racist before, during and after the Civil War is not in doubt, but it was only the South that insisted on maintaining slavery, and only the South that after the war did all they could to keep blacks enslaved (in effect if not in reality) to the extent possible. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22391 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
Theodoric writes: I want to know what you think Eisenhower did. I know about Eisenhower and immigrants. I think the Eisenhower mention was just an endorsement of anti-immigration policies. This isn't the first time the US has turned anti-immigration. Part of the history of US immigration policy is captured in New York City's lower east side where Irish immigrants were replaced by German immigrants were replaced by Italian immigrants were replaced by Jewish immigrants (I probably have the order wrong) were replaced by no one because US immigration policy changed. The upper floors of the tenements emptied and were boarded up by the 1940's, only the lowest floors still occupied by shopkeepers. All the previous generations had assimilated and done well enough to move to more upscale parts of the city. For me the key point is the role of immigration as a wellspring of new social and economic energy. For countries with low birthrates like ours immigration is important to maintaining population and thereby our competitiveness on the world stage. Without immigration we know what our future will be: Japan. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22391 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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Here's a graph of when confederate monuments were built:
This image is so large that if you expand it you have to pan around to read it, so it's best to leave it at this size. The legend at the bottom is too small to see, but what it shows is that the vast bulk of confederate monuments were erected between 1900 and 1920 when the Ku Klux Klan and white supremacy and Jim Crow laws were at a peek. They weren't erected as war memorials but as one of many means used during the period to discriminate against blacks. The oft-mentioned Robert E. Lee statue in Charlottesville is from this period, commissioned in 1917 and unveiled in 1924. It reflects rampant southern racism, white supremacy, black intimidation, and black disenfranchisement. As history it is a record of these southern white attitudes rather than a tribute to a southern war hero. I'm a historical preservationist, so I lean toward keeping such statues where practical but think they should all be accurately contextualized. I accept the arguments that it should be asked whether any given monument remains appropriate in its current prominent location. I think Faith's "men of their time" arguments for Southern Civil heroes have significant merit. I can't understand the thinking of men who, for example, in their wills granted their slaves freedom upon their deaths (why not immediately) but beat or whipped them as punishment (though whipping was not an uncommon punishment for the period no matter the race), but most people accept the norms of their societies, no matter how foreign or wrong they may seem to later generations. We should conserve such records of the past, not obliterate them. They serve as reminders that cruelty often doesn't seem cruel to those under its sway. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22391 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
PaulK writes: In some cases he avoided obstruction only because his staff refused to follow his orders. If I've properly understood what's been written about chargeable obstruction, attempting to obstruct is all that's required, succeeding isn't. For example, this is from How to get away with obstructing justice:
quote: You reply to Faith:
And no, there is nothing clear about your assertions about the Mueller report - other than your desire to whitewash Trump.
quote: In other words, truths you want suppressed. The questions I'd ask are, if Trump has done nothing wrong, why is he acting to withhold information from Congress? If he honestly believes the Mueller report is (paraphrasing) "Complete exoneration, no collusion, no obstruction," then why is he against Congress seeing the full report? --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22391 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
ooh-child writes: The White House is planning a travel ban on Trump’s shithole countries.
'Further undermining the administration’s collective punishment plan is the fact that overstays aren’t a major problem to begin with. Based on the government’s own data, last year DHS could confirm that 99.24 percent of foreign visitors had either “departed the United States on time and in accordance with the terms of their admission” or had left within the next six months.' That's a lot of overstays. This excerpt from Homeland Security's Fiscal Year 2018 Entry/Exit Overstay Report gives the raw number of admissions and repeats the same percentage you gave:
quote: Doing the multiplication, that's about 416,000 overstays just last year alone. Some years it's higher, some lower. According to Politifact, about 42% of illegal immigrants are overstays. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22391 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
14174dm writes: A internet search for "Mueller report text" will pull up a large list of sites with the full report. I am trying to copy/paste quotes but can't get the software to cooperate. Link to searchable/copyable Mueller report (loads fast). --Percy Edited by Percy, : Add comment about loading fast.
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Percy Member Posts: 22391 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
Just wanted to comment on some things and give my own understanding on others:
PaulK writes: quote:You mean Trump ordering obstruction, but his subordinates refusing to carry out those orders ? Surely you see that isn’t a good thing. An obstructive order to a subordinate is obstruction, whether or not the subordinate obeys. An attempt at an obstructive act is obstruction, whether or not it succeeds.
quote: In fact we know that Trump’s refusal to testify hampered the collusion investigation, to at least some degree. This is a key point that (appropriately) didn't receive any mention in the Mueller report and (inexplicably) received little mention in the press, that the collusion evidence might have been much stronger had there been no obstruction.
quote: That isn’t the question at all. The question is whether Mueller intended to indict Trump if he could find the evidence to do so. You say he did, Mueller says he didn’t. I see no reason to disbelieve Mueller on this point. You're right about Mueller expressing no intention of indicting a sitting president, and DWise1 quoted the entire relevant section in his Message 1912. It's written in plain and easily comprehensible English, not legalese.
quote: In other words evidence that justifies charges of obstruction. I think those charging that the report contained innuendo instead of evidence provided by testimony and documentation should provide examples.
quote: In other words you want a cover-up and persecution of any potential whistle-blowers. Another move in the destruction of liberty. Just as I expected from you. And why not when you try to smear anyone pointing out that Barr is a dishonest Trump partisan ? I do agree that any investigation should be to get at the truth, but there is mounting evidence that for Barr that priority is subordinate to his expansive view of presidential power. --Percy
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