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ringo
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Message 16 of 133 (852672)
05-15-2019 12:01 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by Faith
05-15-2019 10:40 AM


Re: Thugzy Unplugged
Faith writes:
"Thug" doesn't necessarily convey criminality to me, just a tough guy image.
As in, "Donald Trump is thug."

Welcome back, Faith.

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ringo
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Message 26 of 133 (852738)
05-16-2019 1:20 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Faith
05-16-2019 1:00 PM


Re: Thugzy Unplugged
Faith writes:
But doctrine we are supposed to judge and judge carefully.
quote:
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
So, away with the commentators and centuries of tradition. Read what Christ said.
quote:
Matthew 7:16-19 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
And the fruits are?
quote:
Galatians 5:22-23 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
And no Caps lock key.

Welcome back, Faith.

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ringo
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Message 28 of 133 (852750)
05-16-2019 1:52 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by Faith
05-16-2019 1:28 PM


Re: Thugzy Unplugged
Faith writes:
You're a perfect example of one who thinks you know it all and gets it all wrong.
On the contrary, I don't claim to know anything. I just quote what the Bible actually says.
Faith writes:
I'm sure you have no clue that the "know them by their fruits" passage refers to the burgeoning Roman Church....
I have a clue what the Bible actually says: "love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance".
If somebody displays caps-locked hatred toward LEFTISTS, etc., I have a clue that they're following false prophets and not the Bible.

Welcome back, Faith.

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ringo
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Message 30 of 133 (852767)
05-16-2019 3:28 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by Faith
05-16-2019 3:20 PM


Re: Thugzy Unplugged
Faith writes:
You're deadly deceived. I **** to leave you to delude everybody else here but they **** your delusional talk better than my true talk so there's not a lot I can do about it.
It isn't your talk against my talk. It's your talk against the Bible.

Welcome back, Faith.

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ringo
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Message 33 of 133 (852813)
05-17-2019 11:44 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by Faith
05-16-2019 4:29 PM


Re: Thugzy Unplugged
Faith writes:
You can't read the Bible piecemeal **** that, it has to be read in the context of the whole thing.
On the contrary, a library doesn't have an overall context. You're trying to reconcile War and Peace with Animal Farm and Catcher in the Rye, which is why you're so confused. And your confusion shows up as anger.
Faith writes:
... but whole teachings may not mean what you think they mean if you read everything that applies to them.
A "whole teaching" should not contradict its parts. For example, you cherry-pick a verse about shedding blood and twist that into an endorsement of capital punishment - but you ignore where God forbade killing Cain and you ignore where Jesus forbade killing the adulterous woman. If there is a "whole teaching" about capital punishment it certainly is not an endorsement. Either the Bible is inconsistent about the subject or your interpretation is just flat-out wrong.

Welcome back, Faith.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 53 of 133 (852904)
05-20-2019 1:10 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by Faith
05-20-2019 1:02 PM


Re: Am I correct in assuming you were thinking of Colossians 2?
Faith writes:
Critical thinking SUPPORTS the traditional view
And yet you always run away from critical thinking. Critical thinking should be supportable.

Izquierdo.

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ringo
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Message 85 of 133 (852961)
05-21-2019 11:45 AM
Reply to: Message 76 by Faith
05-21-2019 10:46 AM


Re: Critical thinking/ spiritual discernment.
Faith writes:
You get it wrong and don't know it. I know it because I do have spiritual discernment.
Classic case of beam-in-the-eye syndrome.
quote:
Matthew 7:3-5 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

Izquierdo.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 89 of 133 (852965)
05-21-2019 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 87 by Phat
05-21-2019 11:50 AM


Re: Critical thinking/ spiritual discernment.
Phat writes:
I would seek to know the motives of the scholars and the motives of the revisionists if in fact there actually were revisionists.
That sounds like a copout, an excuse to dismiss them without thinking about their position at all.

Izquierdo.

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ringo
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From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 91 of 133 (852967)
05-21-2019 11:53 AM
Reply to: Message 88 by Faith
05-21-2019 11:52 AM


Re: Critical thinking/ spiritual discernment.
Faith writes:
The beam in the eye is about sin, not about doctrine.
Don't be silly. It's about discernment in general. If you can't discern one, you can't discern the other.

Izquierdo.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 98 of 133 (852974)
05-21-2019 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 95 by Phat
05-21-2019 11:56 AM


Re: Throwing Out The Baby(in the manger) With The Bathwater
Phat writes:
My only assertion is that their motives themselves need to become part of the evidence so that we can discern whether or not the argument is spiritual rather than simply bricks and mortar.
Again, copout. A "spiritual argument" is an excuse to dismiss actual evidence. If Darwin, Karl Marx and Hitler agree on something, the correct way to evaluate it is on the evidence, not the motivation.

Izquierdo.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 100 of 133 (852976)
05-21-2019 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 96 by Faith
05-21-2019 11:56 AM


Re: Critical thinking/ spiritual discernment.
Faith writes:
It's about condemning sin in others instead of recognizing it in yourself.
Discernment is discernment. If you can't discern sin, you can't discern doctrine.

Izquierdo.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 102 of 133 (852978)
05-21-2019 12:01 PM
Reply to: Message 101 by Phat
05-21-2019 12:00 PM


Re: Throwing Out The Baby(in the manger) With The Bathwater
Phat writes:
If in fact there is a spiritual plane apart from matter, physical objective evidence alone will never win any debate. Perhaps you can address that remote possibility.
if there was such a plane, how would you know about it?

Izquierdo.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 108 of 133 (852984)
05-21-2019 12:21 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by Faith
05-21-2019 12:03 PM


Re: Critical thinking/ spiritual discernment.
Faith writes:
That may be so but that passage nevertheless is about sin and not about doctrine.
You should try reading it. The very next verse is:
quote:
Matthew 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
"Pearls before swine" has more to do with doctrine than sin.

Izquierdo.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 109 of 133 (852985)
05-21-2019 12:24 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by Phat
05-21-2019 12:13 PM


Re: Throwing Out The Baby(in the manger) With The Bathwater
Phat writes:
Thus, the idea that we humans can in fact know "the truth" comes from the Bible itself.
But how do you know that the Bible knows what it's talking about? You're using the Bible's words on spirituality to back up the Bible's concept of spirituality.
Phat writes:
Perhaps you can address why you think that the arguments in scripture carry little weight in this debate.
Because it's a circular argument.

Izquierdo.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 111 of 133 (852987)
05-21-2019 12:40 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by Phat
05-21-2019 11:52 AM


Re: Ringo Rides Into Town...
Phat writes:
Help me with my Beam while we put your splinter on the back burner!

As verse 5 says, "Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."
Priorities.

Izquierdo.

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