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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Lib Dem isn’t the only Remain option. There are also the Green Party and Change UK (formerly The Independent Group). Regional parties may also be Remain - the SNP being a big one.
The electoral system for the European Parliament is different, too. Bigger constituencies, electing multiple representatives, so voting for the smaller parties may not be a wasted vote.
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Heathen Member (Idle past 1312 days) Posts: 1067 From: Brizzle Joined: |
Lib Dem isn’t the only Remain option
not the only, but the major. Change uk are as rudderless as the tories and labour and will struggle to gather much support.I mean, the optics of it aren't good, a bunch of "remain" politicials preaching about reform from the inside as being the best way of changing/improving the EU, who had to "Leave" (their parties) to begin to achieve their aims... apparently Irony free.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Change UK are in a bit of a mess, but the SNP in Scotland in the Greens elsewhere already have MEPs. And any of them would do for a protest vote against Brexit.
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Heathen Member (Idle past 1312 days) Posts: 1067 From: Brizzle Joined: |
Do the EU elections have any form of proportional representation? or is it FPTP?
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caffeine Member (Idle past 1054 days) Posts: 1800 From: Prague, Czech Republic Joined: |
Do the EU elections have any form of proportional representation? or is it FPTP? It's a roughly proportional system.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
The European elections have large constituencies electing multiple MEPs from party lists. Scotland for instance is one constituency with 6 MEPs. It’s called the D’Hondt method.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
quote: Labour-Tory Brexit talks end without deal - BBC News Can't say I am surprised. But it is still unfortunate. Next steps should be interesting. And on a side note, apparently Theresa May indicated that if she loses the next Brexit plan vote, she has promised to set a timetable for her successor. Interesting times.
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caffeine Member (Idle past 1054 days) Posts: 1800 From: Prague, Czech Republic Joined: |
And on a side note, apparently Theresa May indicated that if she loses the next Brexit plan vote, she has promised to set a timetable for her successor. It's not contingent on winning or losing the vote - she just said after the vote, regardless of outcome.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
It's not contingent on winning or losing the vote - she just said after the vote, regardless of outcome. I stand corrected. I skimmed the BBC article I read and didn't catch that. On another note, Boris Johnson has stated he plans to run for PM:
quote: Edited by Diomedes, : Fixed typo
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caffeine Member (Idle past 1054 days) Posts: 1800 From: Prague, Czech Republic Joined: |
On another note, Boris Johnson has stated he plans to run for PM: Please god, no.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Diomedes writes: And on a side note, apparently Theresa May indicated that if she loses the next Brexit plan vote, she has promised to set a timetable for her successor. That should be entertaining. I can't see how any Brexit plan is going to be palatable to the British public, so May seems to be saying, "Fine, let's see you do better". I don't see anyway around another general vote on Brexit. It's one thing to vote for Brexit in the abstract, and a whole different thing to see the real ramifications of Brexit. Government incompetence is just the cherry on top.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
I don't see anyway around another general vote on Brexit. It's one thing to vote for Brexit in the abstract, and a whole different thing to see the real ramifications of Brexit. Government incompetence is just the cherry on top. Not sure how easily another vote can/would occur. It was proposed as part of the indicative votes, but was rejected. Along with everything else. Timing once again will be the issue. To engineer another vote takes a minimum of 10 weeks to prepare. The vote on May's Deal will occur again in June and if it fails, which is likely, that will likely start the process of picking her successor. Which will eat up more time. Now if Boris or Gove take the helm, I doubt they would push for another referendum. Boris seems hell bent on no deal, so my suspicion is he would just be all bravado and tell the EU that if they don't agree to a different deal, he will leave with no deal. Not sure if Gove would be that melodramatic. But the potential alternate leaders in the Conservative party don't exactly inspire confidence at this stage.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Diomedes writes: Now if Boris or Gove take the helm, I doubt they would push for another referendum. Boris seems hell bent on no deal, so my suspicion is he would just be all bravado and tell the EU that if they don't agree to a different deal, he will leave with no deal. Stupid question . . . if May steps down would this result in new elections, or can a new PM be appointed by the ruling coalition without an election?
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caffeine Member (Idle past 1054 days) Posts: 1800 From: Prague, Czech Republic Joined: |
Stupid question . . . if May steps down would this result in new elections, or can a new PM be appointed by the ruling coalition without an election? They can appoint a new PM without an election, as long as there's someone Paliament is actually willing to support. Since the Fixed-Terms Parliament Act was passed, the government no longer has the power to dissolve Parliament at will, including by the PM resigning. It needs a two-thirds majority in Parliament to have an early election. In order that this doesn't mean the country continues rudderless if no one can form a new government; Parliament can with a simple majority pass a vote of no confidence in whatever new government the Tories try to form - after this there's a two week grace period in which to try and form a government that can command majority support. If this fails Parliament will be dissolved and there will be an early general election.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
In order that this doesn't mean the country continues rudderless if no one can form a new government; Parliament can with a simple majority pass a vote of no confidence in whatever new government the Tories try to form - after this there's a two week grace period in which to try and form a government that can command majority support. If this fails Parliament will be dissolved and there will be an early general election. The Sun has put together a list of the odds for the prospective successors to Theresa May, which can be found via the following link: THE new UK Prime Minister will announced today, results are expected at 11.45 am. Rivals Boris Johnson and Jeremy Hunt, are fighting to become the next Prime Minister — but who do the public It does appear Boris has the current 'best' odds (at around 3:1). Gove is next at 7:1 followed by Jeremy Corbyn at 8:1. So the UK's options appear to be Curly, Larry and Moe. Not necessarily in that order.
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